Wednesday, November 14

Omar Said: Use of stereotyped Muslim attire in ROTC training perpetuates Islamophobia


Last month, UCLA’s ROTC took part in a training session for cadets. One of the exercises involved military officers wearing what they believed were stereotypical clothing of militants in the Southwest Asia and North Africa region. Scholars have responded that such stereotypes are far from the reality in the military field. (Liz Ketcham/Daily Bruin)

Last month, UCLA’s ROTC took part in a training session for cadets. One of the exercises involved military officers wearing what they believed were stereotypical clothing of militants in the Southwest Asia and North Africa region. Scholars have responded that such stereotypes are far from the reality in the military field. (Liz Ketcham/Daily Bruin)


It takes a lot of work to marginalize 3.5 million Americans at once.

But the ROTC did just that when it stereotyped Muslims to portray enemy combatants.

During a training held by UCLA’s and California State University, Fresno’s Army ROTCs in early April, students acting as enemy soldiers in combat simulations wore clothing commonly worn by civilians in Arab countries. The clothing included kufiyyas and iqals, which are better known as the flowing scarves Arab men traditionally wear on their heads.

At one point in the training, Maj. Tyrone Vargas, the executive officer of the battalion and a UCLA assistant adjunct professor of military science, held a rocket-propelled grenade above his head and said “Allahu akbar” in the presence of cadets. Vargas later told The Bruin that this had been a way to teach cadets how they would need to decide whether people approach them as combatants or in celebration.

“Allahu akbar,” which means “God is greater,” is a large part of daily Muslim worship and life, including the formal prayer done five times a day. Imam Omar Suleiman, an adjunct professor of Islamic studies at Southern Methodist University, wrote in a CNN article that the phrase is used to indicate gratitude “when God bestows something upon you that you would have been incapable of attaining were it not for divine benevolence.” Notwithstanding, “Allahu akbar” has become a common element in Islamophobic jokes and stereotypes about terrorists.

ROTC’s cavalier attitude about Islamic ideas is damaging to Muslim Americans, and to the Muslim and Southwest Asian and North African students studying at UCLA. The university cannot expect these students on campus to feel safe or comfortable knowing that all it takes for them to be labeled an enemy combatant is to say an often used phrase or wear an outfit common in their country.

Training future military combatants is one thing; perpetuating discriminatory stereotypes is another. ROTC can certainly try to make amends for its actions during the spring cadet training, but the fact remains that it has only played into the continuing narrative of Islamophobia in the United States.

“This training negligently promotes an image of Muslims as dangerous,” said Marwa Rifahie, a civil rights attorney for the Los Angeles chapter of Council on American-Islamic Relations, in a statement released by CAIR-LA.

Rifahie added that CAIR has seen a deterioration in the welcoming climate for Muslim students in the U.S., and that ROTC’s training is likely to contribute to it.

And Muslim students are already living in a hostile world. The federal government has made it all but clear that people like them are not welcome here, with not one but two attempted travel bans primarily affecting Muslims within the last year. Looking at ROTC’s actions in context of the rampant Islamophobia that is embraced by our government only makes them seem more threatening.

Lt. Col. Shannon Stambersky, a professor of military science at UCLA and a member of ROTC leadership, defended ROTC by saying that officers wanted to be as realistic as possible in the training exercise. Stambersky added that in the ’90s, the program trained by using simulated combatants dressed up as Soviet troops.

But these excuses don’t hold up to expert scrutiny. Khaled Abou El Fadl, a professor of Islamic law in the UCLA School of Law and a leading authority on Islam, said enemies in the field don’t look nearly as stereotypical as ROTC portrayed them. Abou El Fadl said enemies in places like Iraq and Syria usually wear jeans and a shirt.

“These kids who put on the kufiyyas and tried to look like Muslim enemies didn’t think very hard about what they were doing,” Abou El Fadl said. “That TV stereotype is a completely cultural stereotype that has nothing to do with the reality in the military field.”

Moreover, dressing like Soviet troops, who had a uniform that wasn’t worn by anyone else, is different from dressing and behaving in a way you believe the members of an entire religion do. Soviet Russia was a nation – one that we were actively in conflict with. Islam is a religion – one whose 1.8 billion members make up one-fourth of Earth’s population.

And Islam is not fighting anyone.

Aya Elarid, a second-year biology student and a member of UCLA’s Muslim Student Association, said she thinks it’s sad that ROTC played into common inaccurate stereotypes about Muslim clothing and phrases.

“This week we’re having an Islam awareness week. Students who see stuff like this will say, ‘Well, why would I want to know more about Islam?’” Elarid said. “Already when people hear about Islam, they assume the worst, and things like this don’t help at all.”

Katherine Knobloch, a fourth-year biology student and a UCLA ROTC cadet, said the program is working to organize a forum with MSA to discuss the behavior in question and to break down barriers that have previously existed between ROTC and the Muslim community on campus. Ramadan, a Muslim holy month during which Muslims fast from dawn until dusk each day, abstaining from food and drink of all kinds, is starting next week. Knobloch said that while plans for the forum are still tentative, the forum may be held during Iftar – the breaking of the fast at sundown each night.

But this forum won’t change what happened or what caused it. The fact that military authorities thought it was alright – even beneficial – for cadets to perpetuate Islamophobic stereotypes means UCLA has a lot of work to do to address discrimination on this campus.

Speaking out against ROTC’s behavior is a start. Holding events at which qualified experts on Islam dispel common stereotypes to dismantle the mindset that permitted the discriminatory behavior is better.

Forgiveness is a big part of Islam, but at the end of the day, Muslim Bruins have to walk around this campus knowing even UCLA’s reserve officers might be harboring Islamophobic thoughts.

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  • http://pislamonauseacentral.tumblr.com/ D. Rarest Pepe ✅

    Bwahahahaha! Another butthurt muzzie!

    • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

      Thus spake the voice of wisdom!

      • usausausausausa

        and thus spake the voice of ignorance

      • http://pislamonauseacentral.tumblr.com/ D. Rarest Pepe ✅

        You got that right, budallah.

  • asdfadsfkd

    The true Islamophobes are the Muslims coz they live in the irrational fear of Islam. Anti-Islam position is based on rationality.

    • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

      That is the daffiest sentence I have read about Islam and Muslims.

      • http://pislamonauseacentral.tumblr.com/ D. Rarest Pepe ✅

        Wait till you read the koranus and hadiths in the original arabpig.

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          Intellectual and witty too!
          What a surprise!

          • http://pislamonauseacentral.tumblr.com/ D. Rarest Pepe ✅

            Something you can aspire to.

  • Steve Dowling

    Omar Said actually asserts that “… Islam is not fighting anyone.” He obviously believes that internet sites (which report news about daily slaughter of infidels by Muslims) bounce off our brains with no effect. Here are some excellent videos disclosing unpleasant reality regarding the sacred texts and teachings of Allah’s ideology: “The Jihad Triangle” / “What Is Taqiyya?” / “Allahu Akbar — Muhammad’s War Cry” / “Three Questions For Moderate Muslims” / “Three Stages Of Jihad” / “Muhammad — The White Prophet With Black Slaves” / “The Psychology Of Islam [3 Parts]“. All are by Dr. David Wood, easily found on YouTube. In every one of them are abundant citations from the Trilogy — Qur’an, Hadith, Sira — establishing history & context undergirding his assertions. As a bonus, David tosses in generous amounts of edged humor, plus amazement at spineless and/or clueless inhabitants of our planet who persist in denial regarding the subjugative & violent essence epoxied irremovably into Muhammad’s awful legacy.

    • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

      Just as reading books by Nazis and KKK members will not make you knowledgeable about Jews and Blacks, reading the bigotry-inducing “books” on your list will only make you more ignorant, drive you into great fear and eventually, could make a killer out of you.

      Read books on Islam by Rabbi Firestone (a Jewish scholar), Karen Armstrong (An ex-Nun) and Leslie Hazleton (another Jewish scholar), oyu might actually LEARN some truth.

      • usausausausausa

        Very Sad!

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          Yes, ignorance is.

          • usausausausausa

            Yes your ignorance is

      • Steve Dowling

        HELLO MR SIDDIQUI — The “books” are actually videos (not books) that quote the words of Muhammad, and the horrible things he did to people. Probably most readers here do not know that HE & HIS PALS BEHEADED BETWEEN 600 AND 900 JEWS. Your “prophet” was a mass-murderer, a pedophile (consummating — having sexual intercourse with — a 9 year old girl), a thief (stealing caravan trade goods from Jews), a torturer (lighting a fire on the chest of a man to learn where his money was hidden), owning black slaves who were considered worth half those of non-blacks, worshipping an idol (the Kaaba) even though one of the essential prohibitions of Islam forbids idolatry. So, you have my deepest sympathy for being stuck in the world’s worst “religion”.

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          I’ll bet dollars to a pinch of dirt that you have not read or seen anything by someone who is not busy spreading hate and fear against Islam and Muslims. Double that bet that you have not researched the videos’ “quotes” to check for their veracity.

          That story about having a few hundred Jews killed is one of the most often edited-to-serve-hate and the numbers change from 600 to 800 to (now) 900. I’ll bet again, that you have not taken the time or trouble to actually READ the full story of what happened and why, to the Khyber Jews.
          Any idea how many Jews Moses had executed upon his return from the mountain…men, women AND children? I believe the number was 1100 or more.

          “Pedophile”. Yeah, I have heard that one a few dozen times and nobody seems to have read the accurate story.
          I don’t know anything about the fire torture, I am sure your heroes’ fantasies suffice for you.
          No Muslim has EVER worshipped the Kaaba. Again, a flight of drugged out, hate-filled fantasy.
          Blacks were NEVER considered less than non-Blacks, the Quran even states that there are no people superior to others except by their piety.

          I suggest you take time to LEARN, instead of regurgitating hate-producing fantasies about us Muslims and about Islam.

          • http://redbee.website/ Red Bee

            I took a closer look at the Koran and if one does that it becomes cristal clear what Islam is.

            http://redbee.website/

          • Steve Dowling

            HELLO AGAIN — Every contention in my original post is supported or mandated by verses in the Qur’an, accounts in the Hadith, and incidents from the Sira. It is an extremely unfortunate fact that your prophet, Muhammad, had a childhood suffering the loss of emotionally important adults in his life. Such tragedy warped his personality, eventually becoming the voice of Allah — which was his repressed subconscious mind. David Wood discusses that (Defective Father Hypothesis) in Part 2 of “The Psychology Of Islam”. Please watch it for understanding about why, in Islam, the Creator of our Universe (God) is so obsessed with hatred against the Kuffar — non-Muslims. And for verification regarding my assertions in that original post, view the videos I listed. He reads from a certified version of the Qur’an, Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, and Reliance of the Traveller.

          • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

            My bet to you stands.

          • Kelly Jackson

            Ok Mr Scholar, why don’t you teach us about the Ottoman Empire?

            And while you’re at it, the 300 years of genocidal slavery inflicted on the west by the Barbary corsairs?

          • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

            “300 years of genocidal slavery”? I guess you must be talking about the US. In case you missed that part of history, I suggest you speak with just about ANY Black American or, better yet, visit the Smithsonian museum on slavery.

            From your questioning, it appears that you know nothing that does not feed your own biases, teaching you about the Ottoman Empire would take too long and it would fall on blind eyes and deaf ears.

          • Kelly Jackson

            LOL, I did three tours in Iraq and got stop lossed into another two in Afghanistan.

            I saw enough of your religion of death, thanks.

          • Lauren

            Kelly….Welcome home….And thank you for your service!…And take care.

          • Tellu Rye

            Why is it “racist” to quote the Quran or hadiths? We are quoting them, we didnt write them – dont shoot the messenger. And we arent “taking them out of context” either. Dont blame us. I dont like the violent verses of the bible, but I dont go around threatening folks who call them out.

            You should be attacking your radical brethren who are taking the texts out of context and comitting heinous acts and NOT on folks who simply report on them.

            For someone who claims you are peaceful and tolerant, youve been threatening just about everyone on this thread. I guess you skipped the part of the Quran 5:32…

          • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

            You may “quote” to your heart’s content!
            Educate me a little please, where do you perceive me threatening ANYONE for anything?

      • BalancedCentre

        Those books are good works on show casing moderate interpretations of Islam. The problem is not Islam but the radical and fundamentalist versions and interpretations preached globally by most Imam’s the like of Anjem Choudhary. These Imams and radical muslims may be just 10-20 % of the global muslim population but they control the mosques and head radical terrorist sympathizing Islamic organizations like CAIR. The discourse about the preaching of Islam is controlled by these559 radical people. We’ve seen many cases of normal people getting radicalized at the mosques due to these teachings. That’s we see regimes/movements like Taliban and ISIS. I think that’s the problem that needs to be addressed by sensible elements in community. Whining about some combat practice attire similarities to clothes worn in certain regions is not addressing the real problem of radical islam but only worsening it.

        • Khaled Abbas

          Radical islam is 100% the result of US meddling in the region, and making citizens of this country feel unwanted in some ridiculous strategy to “fix things” is only making things worse. The United States only makes things worse everywhere it interferes, and this time it’s perpetuating attacks on millions of US citizens who are Muslim.

      • Native jo

        The bigotted book you are referring to was the Koran. I agree with you that it’s a bigotted book that corrupts people’s brains.

      • Kelly Jackson

        LOL, don’t you believe that the end time won’t come until you fight the Jews? And I quote:

        The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          We can discuss that but in the meantime, perhaps you can explain how in Christianity all Jews will be gathered in the land of Israel and will convert to Christianity and those who don’t will be destroyed?

      • Lauren

        Why don’t you recommend reading the Quran, or ‘Reliance of the Traveler’? Those other books are mostly ridiculous fluff.

  • Publius

    Get over it. Combat troops in this age train for fighting in the Middle East, in countries where people look, act, and speak like the characters in this simulation. When the majority of suicide bombers in the countries that U.S. troops fight in are from some other religion and culture, and speak a different language, then the U.S. military will update its simulations accordingly.

    Your effort to introduce a PC culture that would disrupt military readiness is canceled. Please and thank you.

    • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

      How does one even begin to respond to non-thinkers like this fellow?

      • http://pislamonauseacentral.tumblr.com/ D. Rarest Pepe ✅

        You could squeal like the khinizir you are.

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          Running out of intelligent words, eh?

          • http://pislamonauseacentral.tumblr.com/ D. Rarest Pepe ✅

            Take your sharmuta mother’s zeb out of your mouth first.

          • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

            The with one can see in your icon is accurately reflected by your inane statements. Don’t open the windows of your mind, the moths might get away.

      • Publius

        Thanks, Jafar. I also don’t know how else to respond to the non-thinker who wrote the article.

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          How original!

      • Pfruit

        I know!

        You should become an Army officer and show everyone how it’s properly done.

        If you’re not part of the solution, you’re only supporting the problem.

        • Khaled Abbas

          One shouldn’t have to join an organization to criticize its behavior. As citizens of this country, it is our right and our duty to speak out against the military when it steps over the line, as it did in this instance.

          • Pfruit

            How is training with the realistic uniform of the adversary I’ve fought against in Iraq and Afghanistan “stepping over the line”?

            I brought back clothing from both countries. When we run training, our OPFor wear what they would be wearing.

            Being in denial isn’t helpful.

      • skeets11

        It’s easy. Just say he is correct, he understand how military training operates and then go and start thinking yourself.

      • Tellu Rye

        Gee, didnt hear you complain when they dressed the training combatants as asian when they were training for Vietnam, but you complain that they dress as middle east when training for the middle east. Now, why is that, Jafar? Cause of your double standards, thats why.

        • Khaled Abbas

          The article addresses this: “Moreover, dressing like Soviet troops, who had a uniform that wasn’t worn by anyone else, is different from dressing and behaving in a way you believe the members of an entire religion do. Soviet Russia was a nation – one that we were actively in conflict with. Islam is a religion – one whose 1.8 billion members make up one-fourth of Earth’s population.

          And Islam is not fighting anyone.”

          Maybe read what you’re responding to before trying to attack people next time.

          • Tellu Rye

            Again, moron, Russians HAD UNIFORMS. Jihadis do not. They are not “dressing like muslims” they are dressing like civilians…which is EXACTLY the point – jihadis do not wear any clothes that stand out, making them difficult to distinguish between the two. Especially since they are employing 8 year olds with bombs and guns. Im surprised you didnt whine “you are training to attack children”

  • LiberalsAreSensitiveBeings

    It’s difficult to “stereotype” when the depiction is accurate. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe ISIS fighters wear Indian saris or Peruvian panchos.

    Your irrational and hyper sensitivity to facts helps me better understand why Trump won.

    • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

      Such clarity of thought!
      Catch some people from a common background doing something bad, then attack them as a group and promote hate and fear against them.

      This type of thinking was so prevalent into the 1960s and 1970s but then the targets were Blacks and women. Today, when “the depiction” against Blacks and women could be a career-ending move, the cowards have picked on Islam and Muslims because this bigotry is still promoted as patriotism.

      I do understand why Trump won. He won because he promised ACTION even if the action was irrational so people flocked to him like they do for any hate-monger…Il Duce, Hitler, Milosevic, Habyarimana…ad nauseam

      • usausausausausa

        instigate

      • LiberalsAreSensitiveBeings

        Your ability to laundry-list rulers is very impressive, but you lost credibility when you suggested that the United States “picked” Islam. The only thing the United States has “picked” to do is emulate is battlefield conditions. If your position is to turn a blind eye to reality, then at least say so without convoluting the argument. The “America is racist” and “Trump is Hitler” argument is tired.

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          There is an old Jewish saying, “when everyone is telling you that you are drunk, sit down!”

          • Lauren

            ‘Everyone’? This is hardly ‘everyone’.

      • MR_Mr_Deplorable_Hapla

        that “common background” supports the active murderers, then claims they are hijacking the “Religion of Peace”,,,,,so we see riots over MoHamHead (PissBeUponHim) cartoons,,, where are the protest riots for the jihadis blowing up markets, schools,,the ‘other’ mosque?

    • Khaled Abbas

      They also don’t wear what the cadets were wearing, as shown by the comments several professors gave in this and the previous article. When experts on the Middle East and Islam say that this conduct doesn’t create a realistic representation of combat in the region, it shows that the military isn’t after accuracy. They’re after the islamophobic reactions the cadets develop as a result of racist trainings like this one.

      • Lauren

        Islam isn’t a ‘race’…

  • TruemanShow

    It’s easy for someone who isn’t going to be potentially volunteering their life abroad in dangerous conditions to critique how those who will train.

    Yes, the middle east is historically a center of conflict and yes, those societies are mostly islamic and yes, the US is intimately involved in the region, regardless of your opinion. It’s insulting you assume our future military officers can’t discern a simulation from the real thing, or that they have inherent biases that will affect their service. Why don’t you start with yourself? Are you predisposed to bigotry if you see something the wrong way? Or are you a future professional journalist-provocateur?

    • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

      Congratulations on using phrases like “professional journalist-provocateur”, it must have taken you some time to cast it into memory for later use.

      First of all, the “Dangerous conditions” were and are created by US destruction of entire societies from Pakistan to Libya, the “Region of conflict” was doing pretty well until we introduced massive numbers of weapons there, destroyed all society, governance and infrastructure and killed almost THREE MILLION Muslims between 1991 and today (yes, violence and deaths of people by other parties but under occupation remain the responsibility of the Occupier, check out the Geneva Convention).

      Secondly, if you believe dressing up people like Arabs does not create false bias, why do you think it is no longer the practice of the Police to train against “bad guys” who look like African Americans?
      Why do you think women are not stereotyped as sex objects (people CAN tell the difference, can’t they)?

      Sub-conscious bigotry is the deepest hate-creating tool that anyone can use.

      • http://pislamonauseacentral.tumblr.com/ D. Rarest Pepe ✅

        Sub-conscious bigotry, huh? You mean like Mahound’s? He had an irrational fear of black dogs which carried over to most of his followers. He said water was always pure and swam in the Well of Budah. He said to wipe with an odd number of stones. He had a lot of irrational ideas that bordered on insane. Anyone who follows his nonsense must be equally so.

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          Thankfully, I have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about.
          Maybe if you actually READ facts and learnt from them, we could have a conversation.

          • http://pislamonauseacentral.tumblr.com/ D. Rarest Pepe ✅

            You’re not here for a ‘conversation’, budallah.

      • Steve Dowling

        HELLO AGAIN MR. SIDDIQUI — As commenter TruemanShow says “the mddle east is historically a center of conflict”. Absolutely accurate. Beginning with Muhammad’s provocation of Jews & Pagans in Mecca, he angered them so much that he had to flee to Medina, hoping to improve luck as a religious “prophet” and recruit adherents. From that gathering of people (who would subjugate or kill anyone resisting them), he went onward in a sick dysfunctional life. David Wood said in one of his videos “Muhammad is the last person anyone should listen to about anything”. Maybe eventually you will discover how warped “Allah” is. How many deaths will you cause before that happens ???

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          Mr. Dowling. How right you are! WWl and WWll, genocides of the native Indians of N. and S. Americas, of the natives in Australia, the 30 years war and a whole LOT more, ALL “started in the M-E”, didn’t they? I guess you and The Trueman Show could use lessons in history and geography even though you appear to have a Masters Degree in Bigotry.

          Obviously, your fantasy pictures carry more force for you than reality so there is little point in arguing if I am still beating my wife.

          • Kelly Jackson

            You mean the WW1 genocide the Turks conducted against the Armenians that you pretend never happened?

          • skeets11

            And the Turks being allied with the Germans and Austro-Hungarians.

      • Pfruit

        I had forgotten that universal peace had been created in Pakistan and Libya only to be destroyed by the evil United States. Thank you for reminding us all that these countries have never had societies that glorify cruelty and misogyny.

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          You are more than welcome! Perhaps if you take the time to check out what Pakistan was like before the US decided to bring “Freedom and Democracy” to Afghanistan (against the Soviets), oyu may lose some of your cynicism and self-righteousness.

          • Lauren

            Oh, right…All those terrorist attacks, honour killings, and hatred towards Christians, and other minorities would magically disappear if the U.S. totally left. So, Malala got shot in the head because of the U.S., and young couples falling in love trying to escape from honour killings are murdered because of the U.S. Homosexual, pedophile perverts of Bacha bazi exist because of the U.S. Yawn.

            I know the U.S. has screwed up a lot, but spare me the meme about how wonderful things were in Paki, and Afghanistan. Like Osama would have made it all nice if only the Mujahadeen had been left to fight the Soviets on their own. All those indoctrinated young men sent out of the Madrassas in Paki to fight the Soviets didn’t exactly come equipped to patch Afghanistan together with any decent intelligence after the Soviets were finally defeated. That was the U.S.’s big mistake. We left Afghanistan in shambles. And the Taliban (with Paki, Saudi support) continued a civil war with the Northern Alliance.

          • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

            Lauren, the problem is that your fantasies have replaced so many facts that it would take a day just to unpack them for you and even then, I am not sure if you would be open enough to recognize the truth.
            Before the US started helping the Afghans to “Democracy and Freedom”, the pro-Communist regime in Afghanistan had women openly working in the cabinet, in the military, the Police, the Civil Service, as teachers and as everything else. It was only after several interferings by the US and arming of the opposition that the Soviets entered and the Great Proxy war to destroy Afghanistan began.
            It was during this “War!” that the US (CIA) started madressas for Afghan children and youth, teaching them that Islam demands all Infidels should die (it does not). It was at this time that the US brought in Osama who had hundreds of millions of dollars to spend on the “War!” in Afghanistan.

            The Taliban were the descendants of these camps of mindlessness, Al-Qaeda was an off-shoot of the Taliban and ISIS was an extremist off-shoot of Al-Qaeda.

            Pakistan, in spite of its corruptions, was a peaceful country where men and women alike, could walk into the stores at any time of morning or night, without being harassed but thanks to the madressa graduates, Pakistan is now in the grasp of the Intolerant.

            There are no such things as ‘Honor Killings’, they should be called “honor MURDERS” and yes, they do happen in Pakistan as they do in India as well. Yes, Muslims do a lot of them but so do Hindus and Sikhs. Still, if you are only concerned about how evil we Muslims are, I am sure you can find reasons to dismiss everything except where Muslims are involved.

            Good luck with your hate.

          • Lauren

            Jafar…Don’t even go there with that BS accusation of ‘hate’. Total projection on your part. Do you equate criticism, critical discussion, and debate with hate? If you do, then that is a problem. I don’t live in fantasy land…I know about the basic history of Afghanistan…Read all about it before 9/11…The communist Gov’t, women, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, etc. And don’t give me that crud about the Madrassas being the CIA’s fault…Idiotic Imams, fatwah’s, and recitation of the Koran didn’t originate with the CIA. Yeah, I know there are problems with other cultures and how they treat women, but we are focusing here on Afghanistan, and Pakistan, not doing some dissertation on various religions.

          • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

            You said it Lauren, ” we are focusing on evils of. Islam (as we fantasize them), don’t distract us with similar evils that surround us”.
            If I had a dime for every time I saw or heard such bigotry…

          • Lauren

            ‘Bigotry’? What are you are talking about? Your posting makes no sense.

          • skeets11

            Pakistan was a British colony and part of India until 1947 when it gained independent rule and then went to war against India. Yeah, the US had a lot to do with that situation.

      • Tellu Rye

        Jafar – kinda funny how you seem to ignore the butchering, slaughtering and raping of women and children Hussein and Gadafi did to their own people…but you are absolutely irate at the US for intervening? I guess, you were OK with the actions of the dictator? Would you want your family to live like that?

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          Not al all! I hated Saddam and Ghaddafi, but what the US has done in destroying those countries and others, is inexcusable. Please open your eyes and mind and compare the lives of people before and after the US brought “Democracy” to those countries.

          • MR_Mr_Deplorable_Hapla

            What we did was remove the “oppressive” regime, that was controlling the MudSlime lunatics, thinking you backaswards idiots would step up and be 21st century civilized citizens,,,but no,,,the murder/chaos insanity that is Piss-Lam always- ALWAYS- takes over.

          • Lauren

            ‘Arab Spring’…All those people weren’t forced to protest their dictatorships. What is inexcusable are Muslims who hate Jews, and want to commit genocide by annhilating Israel.

          • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

            There IS a genocide going on…by Israel…on its Christian and Muslim Palestinians plus on the ones under occupation.
            Read: “UN Convention on the prevention and punishment of genocide”

          • Lauren

            Jafar, that is one of the funniest things I’ve ever read about Israel. What an imagination you have! Israel has too much sense for someone like you, so you have to make things up.

          • Tellu Rye

            I know, Lauren, when I read what Jafar wrote about Israle I about spit out my coffee. What a moron.

          • Lauren

            Well, unfortunately I heard a friend utter the ‘genocide’ word in regards to Israel the other day. They have Jewish blood, and are not religious. I about fell out of my chair, and immediately corrected them on the matter. They did realize that ‘genocide’ was probably too strong of a word. Yeah, ya’ think? The insane left has people losing their freakin’ minds. Absolutely astounding, and quite disturbing.

          • Tellu Rye

            Tell me about it – people just repeat what they hear in the media and have no clue what it means. If you are down and want a laugh (besides thinking about Jafar Siddiqui’s comments) you should watch youtube as millenials want a Socialist govt (no Im not making that up) and former russian citizens who grew up under such a regime school them on it and they look foolish. So Im not surprised your friend has no idea what the word ‘Genocide’ means.

          • Lauren

            Tellu…My friend(s) have no excuse…We aren’t young anymore, and have had plenty of time to learn from history. My friend knows exactly what ‘genocide’ means. The gulags, what has happened in our own lifetimes, the value in good traditions, etc. I try to look at things issue by issue, and live in a hotbed of so called ‘progressivism’. These people now scare the bejeezus out of me, so, I am a bit ahead of you here. I have watched those videos you mention, and hear friends fondly wish, and advocate for ‘socialism’. So far, they aren’t willing to question their mindset on this. As you know, the millenials aren’t pulling all that BS they are learning out of their own hat.

          • Tellu Rye

            You have no clue what you are talking about. Its Palestine that attacked lebanon killing Christians and jews and forcing conversion to Islam. Israel joined the fight when lebanon asked. You have your countries mixed up. Get educated:

            https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/882938/jewish/Warning-the-Western-World.htm

          • Tellu Rye

            You are full of it. The us didnt make it worse. In fact, they should have stayed out of it at all as it made zero difference. You are ignorant – you act like the rape and murders happened only AFTEr the US invaded. Ridiculous. And you are a liar – you have never, not once, condemned Hussein and Gadaffi’s actions…and you just said the US is worse???

          • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

            Oh, the confidence of opinions without knowledge!

          • Tellu Rye

            Oh, the confidence of opinions without evidence.

      • skeets11

        Doing pretty well there? When? The Arab world has never known peace and Muslims kill each other at a rate far beyond anything an outsider could accomplish.

      • Nat Rev

        You’ve highlighted the problem perfectly. We made a major mistake between 1991 and today, we didn’t kill or facilitate the killing of nearly enough Muslims.

        • Khaled Abbas

          By literally calling for the death of people who have done nothing other than exist peacefully as part of this and many other countries, you only prove that America harbors ill will towards Muslims for no other reason than that they are Muslim. People like you are what’s wrong with the world – your hate and bigotry make this a worse place for the rest of us to live.

          • Lauren

            ‘America’?….No, SOME people in America…But, for the most part, America has been pretty generous to all immigrants.

          • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

            It does break my heart to say this but it only takes an active few to persecute people; all the rest have to do is…nothing.

          • Lauren

            ‘Persecuted’? Yet, no one group is being persecuted in the West.

        • Lauren

          Nat…That is a very ugly thing to say….

          • Nat Rev

            Three truth hurts sometimes. And what I said is the truth and has been for 1,400 years.

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          Yup, heard that one too…many times!

    • http://pislamonauseacentral.tumblr.com/ D. Rarest Pepe ✅

      No, Omar is just another mendacious grievance-mongering takiya artist.

    • Khaled Abbas

      One doesn’t have to risk their life joining an imperialistic military just to understand that their behavior is wrong. If that were true, then our current president would be completely unqualified to make military decisions, which people like you don’t seem to believe is true.

  • Tom Langston

    Islamophobia is a word created by fascists and used by cowards to manipulate morons.

    To not recognize that there are sects within Islam that are stuck in the 7th century and want to do harm to America makes one not only ignorant, but also a fool.

    ‘It just so happens that the followers of Muhammad, before rasul-ul-allah (the messenger of Allah) was even buried, started having disagreements among themselves about who was a real Muslim and who was a pretender and actually a kefir. The house of Muhammad, in no time at all, splintered into sects, sub-sects, and sub-sub-sects and whatnot. And each of these “real and true” Muslims started treating other Muslims as he would treat the kefirs, in obedience to Muslims’ sacred teachings of the Quran.

    There is no such a thing as one Islam. There are hundreds of Islamic sects in the same way that there are hundreds of diseases.

    A true Muslim is someone who actively follows the Quran word for word and works to transmit the disease to others, while he himself is engaged in horrific acts of mayhem and violence to demonstrate his unconditional obedience to the dictates of the Islamic cult.’

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/who_is_a_muslim.html

  • Brady Umfleet

    Should they be Poles, Germans, or Chileans? Nope they should not be-they are training for real life

  • SegalSegal

    In today’s news “Attacker yells ‘Allahu Akbar,’ stabs five in Paris before police take him down”.

    That perpetuates Islamophobia.

    • Khaled Abbas

      By your logic, fearing white people should be common now in America, considering a majority of terrorist shootings in this country are committed by them. But then again, I forgot. When it’s a white person, they’re “mentally disturbed”, not a terrorist.

    • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

      American drones blow up half a village to kill a “suspect”.
      That perpetuates hate against the U.S.

      • SegalSegal

        That is a huge exaggeration. But it takes considerable effort to equal the specificity of the Israelis, who were able to kill 53 Hamas / Islamic Jihad attackers at the Gaza border, with only 8 people dying who were not known to be members of combatant groups. But it is a worthy goal to match or even exceed that specificity.

        • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

          Great tactic!
          A tangent into a different topic and then another does of bigotry; I am not biting

  • http://redbee.website/ Red Bee

    “And Islam is not fighting anyone.”

    Islam has a doctrine, an ideology and a legal system that mandates Muslims to fight against non-Muslims in order to subject them to the Islamic order.

    &

    this is a fact and anyone who says this is not so, does not know what he is talking about or is lying; it’s that simple.

    Since the truth of these statements is of great importance to the question of what to think of Islam, I encourage the reader to verify this himself.

    http://redbee.website/

  • Native jo

    Muslim don’t want to be associated with jihadis but they are the ones doing that. CAIR is trying to blur the lines like when journalists say immigrants when speakingsanout illegal aliens. Jihadis are all Muslim, but Muslims aren’t all jihadis. If you don’t acknowledge the distinction, they you are making the normal Muslims look like Jihadis. It’s not the ROTC. CAIR doesn’t get to dictate things. They are a terror funding group. Don’t get it twisted.

    • Steve Dowling

      HELLO NATIVE JO — Yes, as you write “Muslims aren’t all jihadis.” For you and other readers here who have just 5 MINUTES minutes to understand why some worshippers of Allah ARE violent, watch David Wood’s video “The Jihad Triangle”, on YouTube. Also, for African-American Muslim students at UCLA who want to understand how deceived they have been, watch David Wood’s “Muhammad — The White Prophet With Black Slaves”. Arabs are classified as Caucasian — did you know that? Muhammad’s closest contemporary pals revered him for his “whiteness” — did you know that? David shows the sources for that, along with other facts detailing the treatment of blacks by him. And, in a reply to a comment I made, Mr. Siddiqui challenges my assertion that the Kaaba is an idol even though Islam supposedly forbids idolatry. Faithful devout Muslim bow down to it five times a day, so knowing the truth regarding its history is important, right? View David Wood’s video “Inside The Kaaba” to get an unpleasant dose of reality.

      • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

        Well Mr. Dowling, if you only wish to consult books like “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” to become an expert on Jews and similar books on Blacks, you may become a very learned person in one aspect but you will remain an ignorant bigot.

        Back in those days, the vanquished were either killed or kept or sold into slavery, regardless of race so there could have been slaves who were Black, White or swarthy. ALL races are recognized in the Quran as equal, superior only because of their good deeds. Some of the prophets most important disciples were Black too.

        Perhaps you should consider actually READING books by people who are not bigots (i gave you a list of authors) to get a REAL “dose of reality”.

        • Lauren

          It was the west who made slavery illegal. The Islamic world never made slavery illegal. Slavery is still an acceptable practice for some in the Muslim world.

  • Tellu Rye

    Omar is absolutely ignorant. ROTC, nor has anyone said, that all who wear Islamic garb is considered an enemy combatant. When they had enemies dress as the vietcong, he didn’t claim it would cause Vietnamese phobia. Gotta love the double standards.

    • Khaled Abbas

      When they trained the soldiers by dressing enemies up like civilians, they equated civilians with enemies and showed that anyone who dresses like this should be considered a threat.

      He also did address the difference between dressing soldiers as members of a country (Russia) versus members of a religion. Why didn’t you read the actual article before coming hear to spew your bigotry and hate?

      • Tellu Rye

        Can you please show me what I said was “bigoted and hateful”? Typical response when you dont have an adult retort to a discussion. I simply called out his double standards – he did NOT complain when they dressed as Vietnamese civilians, why not?

        Jihad terrorists do not have a uniform, moron, so they will wear the same clothes civilians wear. There is not a “jihad” patch – they look like regular Joes like you and I. So yours and Omar’s comment is ignorant. And because you dont have a response, you reply with the only thing in your arsenal – that Im bigoted and hateful.

        And I clearly said that is not indicative of all muslims and we are not at war with Islam, so please show me where I said those as well. Before you launch ad hominem attacks, you may want to actually have proof – I never said any of those things you claim.

      • Tellu Rye

        Hi sweetheart, still waiting fo you to show me my bigoted comments. Oh thats right,when you guys lose an argument, you call us racist, then leave…

  • Pvblic

    I don’t understand, how do you want the cadets to train? Shouldn’t they conduct training that is as realistic as possible? I hate to break it to you but the US isn’t fighting uniformed armies anymore, we are fighting a counterinsurgency where, you guessed it, the enemy looks like the locals so it only makes sense that training reflects the current reality where the enemy wears Middle Eastern apparel.

    • Khaled Abbas

      If you had read this article, or the previous one about the same topic, you would see that experts on the middle east and islam say this training was completely unrealistic. Movies aren’t real life, and the middle east doesn’t look like what you and your bigoted buddies all seem to think it does.

  • Tellu Rye

    Absolutely ignorant. This does not “put muslims in danger”. And he is lying – not a single person said that “people who dress like this are automatically an enemy combatant”. Funny, Omar, didnt hear you complain when they had soldiers dressed as Asians during vietnam training, Now, why is that?

  • Paul Kersey

    With all the Swedish terrorists and suicide bombers in ISIS and the others, they should all be blonde haired, blue eyed and wearing parkas, right?

    • Khaled Abbas

      They’d be better prepared for the main threat America is currently facing – white terrorist shooters.

  • Lauren

    There is nothing ‘Islamophobic’ here. That is just a simplistic, useless term used to basically attempt to stop critical analysis of Islam, and those who promote it.

    • Khaled Abbas

      No, it isn’t. It’s a term used to talk about actions and behaviors which leave Muslims feeling like they don’t belong in America, despite their citizenship or attempts to assimilate. We cannot continue to alienate rightful citizens of this country. The US government was wrong to treat the Japanese like this in [email protected], and it admitted that and paid reparations to those wrongfully interned. It’s thus strange to see similar racist behavior resurfacing.

      • Lauren

        What ‘actions’ and ‘behaviors’ are you referring to? Most people in the U.S. are pretty accomodating towards just about anyone from all over the world.

        If legal immigrants support our Constitution, and Bill of Rights, and abide by our laws then they ‘belong.’ If they do not, then they don’t ‘belong.’

        Here, no one has a right to NOT be insulted, or offended. No one, absolutely no one is obligated to make you, or anyone feel all warm, and fuzzy about living in the U.S. Every single minority group that came to the U.S. has had a hard time. The Irish, the Italians, the Catholics all got treated bad sometimes. They had plenty of suffering, but they didn’t go out and complain, ‘Irishophobia’, or ‘Italianophobia’, or ‘Catholicophobia’. They learned English, worked hard, and kept building their lives. Life is not easy for a lot of people, and it wasn’t easy for our founding fathers who made it a point to try, and create a country where people really would be able to have free speech. Free speech where you could speak your mind without fear of being thrown in prison, or physically castigated in the public square.

        When it comes to social/political free speech, it doesn’t matter how you feel, or how anyone feels. Political, and critical free speech in the U.S. means just that. Someone has a right to be as insulting, racist, or as bigoted as they want to be. Walking up to someone, and telling them they don’t belong in the U.S. might be rude, and disgusting, racist, or bigoted, but they can do it, and the person offended can either ignore them and walk off, tell them off, or punch them, and risk maybe getting arrested. People get to be the most disgusting racist Nazi’s if they want to be, but they don’t get to legally ACT OUT their hatred/prejudice by punching someone, or verbally threatening, or harassing someone with the intention of causing them to fear for their safety.

        Physically interning people is a completely different matter.

        So, in short, yes the term ‘Islamophobia’ is often a political tool used by CAIR, and others to label, and discourage critical debate regarding Islam.

  • skeets11

    Are students at this school truly so uneducated as to not understand that the primary enemy facing US military forces are Jihadi? That we have been fighting them since Sept. 11? Did you know that when the Soviet Union was our primary enemy the Army often used troops dressed in Soviet uniforms to exercise against because it helped ready us to what we might see on a battlefield.

    This is not perpetuating a stereotype. If Islamic jihadist dressed liked clowns then we would use people in clown costumes to practice against.

    If you can’t wrap your minds around this it might be a good day to just shut down UCLA.

    • Khaled Abbas

      Read this article and the previous one by John Tudhope about this subject. Several professors said that this clothing is NOT realistic. Also, it addresses that dressing like soviets is different than dressing like members of a religion, because on is a country that was at war with the US, while the other is a peaceful religion, a majority of whose members wish no harm upon anyone.

      If we started teaching children ot fear white people, due to the outrageous number of terrorist shootings they are involved in, it would be considered racist by you and people like you. So why isn’t this the same?

      • skeets11

        First off, I’ve been told over and over that the Jihadist have nothing to do with true Islam, it’s just unfortunate they happen to wear the same clothes. And guess what? When police train they use people dressed like regular civilians so your point is moot. You have to train in the same environment you will find on the battlefield.

        • Khaled Abbas

          I just told you that they don’t wear the same clothes. Experts all agree that muslim radical combatants dress nothing like the cadets did during this training. So they were training for an environment completely unlike the one they will find on the battlefield. Your excuses are tired. Read and learn about what you’re talking about before offering terrible bigoted comments like these again.

          • skeets11

            I served in the army for a long time. Everyone I’ve spoken to who has been in the sandbox says the only way to tell the Jihadists from the regular people is the Jihadists shoot at you. I’m sticking with what they have to say.

          • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

            Khalid, you are wasting your time, these folks want to reinforce their hate against Islam and Muslims, they don’t want education.

  • Tellu Rye

    @Mike Wallace Since the other thread was closed because you were a coward, let me address your question here.

    You will refuse them anyway, but the reason you havent heard of them is because the media, once its learned to be a hoax, doesnt not report on it. They only report on the initial Hoax. Here’s a few (you’ve been living under a rock if you havent heard these)

    Girl in Canada claims white man ripped off hijab – later claims it was a lie

    Girl in NYC claimed she was attacked and her face was slashed. Apparently she forgot about video cameras as she was caught on camera slashing her own face

    Girl in NJ says two guys wearing donald trump hats tore off her hijab and told her to get out of the country. Later she admitted that was false.

    Guy murders wife, claims two white men broke in and did it. Eventually proved he did it, confessed, and was charged for murder

    Guy attempts to burn his mosque down – was later found he set the fire. He confessed, and was charged with arson.

    And the list goes on and on. Stop being ignorant and get educated.

  • Tellu Rye

    @Andrew51 “Should have left your first two sentences off. The rest makes sense.”

    No, I make perfect sense. What doesnt make sense is you falling for the BS narrative.

    Girl in Canada claims white man ripped off hijab – later claims it was a lie

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/danielle-s-mclaughlin/the-girl-who-lied-about-hijab-attack-deserves-an-apology_a_23335032/

    I bet your mother wrote that article. She sounds just as dumb as you. We should apologize to her for lying???

    Girl in NYC claimed she was attacked and her face was slashed. Apparently she forgot about video cameras as she was caught on camera slashing her own face

    Girl in NJ says two guys wearing donald trump hats tore off her hijab and told her to get out of the country. Later she admitted that was false.

    Guy murders wife in Arizona, claims two white men broke in and did it. Eventually proved he did it, confessed, and was charged for murder

    Guy attempts to burn his mosque down – was later found he set the fire. He confessed, and was charged with arson.

    And the list goes on and on. Stop being ignorant and get educated.

  • LegalBriefs

    Who are American troops facing in Afghanistan? Methodists?

    • Khaled Abbas

      It doesn’t matter who they’re facing – it matters that this clothing is not realistic, and isn’t what enemy combatants in the Middle East wear. It also matters that this tells millions of Muslims who are US citizens that their culture is something the US is fighting against and alienates people who have every right to feel at home in this country.

    • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

      Oooo! Almost too subtle mr. Brief!
      They are people who drive in tanks with crosses hanging off them, they are people who are using guns with verse numbers from the New Testament engraved on the gun mechanisms. I am sure that means little to you, but to the common Afghan, that means the Christians are killing the Muslims.

      At some time we have to stop vilifying people and religions and focus on ACTS, otherwise, this world is finished…

  • Lauren

    Why the ROTC is meeting with the MSA is beyond me. There are plenty of pictures around to show what terrorists wear. Guess the ROTC needs to just expand the terrorist wardrobe. Indonesian family including children become suicide bombers. Ramadan in Begium – Jihad terrorist shouts ‘Allahu Akbar’ before brutally murdering three. Ramadan in Mali – Muslims murder 20 who were resting under a tree. Ramadan in Nigeria – Jihad suicide attack murders five. Ramadan in Mozambique – Muslims behead 10 people including children. ‘Infidelophobia’ is a very DEADLY problem!

  • TopAssistant

    Hey Omar: Who said this, to whom, when, why and what have we ever done about it? Would you consider this statement to be contrary to our Constitution, our way of life, a danger to our National/Homeland Security and the preservation of our Constitution? Would you think these are words of an enemy? Surely, both the House and Senate studied this but where are the reports?
    “The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every musselman [muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

    This statement was a part of a March 28, 1786, letter from John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, the United States Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Continental Congress, concerning their conversation with Tripoli’s to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman as to why his pirates/terrorists hijacked our merchant ships, stole the ships and cargo while holding the sailors for ransom. (Source: Founders Online: http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-09-02-0315

    Just Google March 28, 1786, letter from John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to John Jay

    Why are we failing to mention the obvious issues in the 1786 letter that still exists today? Here are the main points in 1786; are they the same today with the Muslim Brotherhood in America and their plan they wrote to destroy us?
    a. “it was founded on the Laws of their prophet”;
    b. “that it was written in their Koran”;
    c. “that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners”;
    d. “that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and”;
    e. “to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and”;
    f. “that every musselman [muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
    g. “that it was a law that the first who boarded an Enemy’s Vessell should have one slave more than his share with the rest”;
    h. “which operated as an incentive to the most desperate Valour and Enterprize;
    i. “that it was the Practice of their Corsairs to bear down upon a ship;
    j. for each sailor to take a dagger in each hand, and another in his mouth, and leap on board, which so terrified their Enemies that very few ever stood against them.”
    k. “That he verily believed the Devil assisted his Countrymen, for they were almost always successful.

    Please take time to view the 12 Faces of Islam and then ask your useless politician to look at it. http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/faces-of-islam-12-photos/

  • TopAssistant

    I first became interested in stopping terrorism while serving as the civilian Chief, Eighth Army Fire Protection (FEAK).

    I was responsible for fire service and emergency management in South Korea which included all eight fire departments, 450 firefighters, 135 pieces of fire equipment and a $15M budget. I served as their subject matter expert (SME) for fire and emergency services throughout the theater which was no small task! One of my jobs included terrorism before, during and aftetr an event!

    While at a terrorism briefing I brought up an article and quoted from it this passage and I was immediately shut down! QUOTE: “A fourth generation warfare “may emerge from non-Western cultural traditions, such as Islamic or Asiatic traditions. The fact that some non-Western areas, such as the Islamic world, are not strong in technology may lead them to develop the fourth generation through ideas rather than technology.”

    Even twenty-eight years ago it was politically incorrect to discuss the Islamization of America or had DoD been infiltrated by Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers and we didn’t know it?
    • Highly sophisticated psychological warfare, especially through manipulation of the media, particularly television news. Some terrorists already know how to play this game. More broadly, hostile forces could easily take advantage of a significant product of television reporting — the fact that on television the enemy’s casualties can be almost as devastating on the home front as are friendly casualties. If we bomb an enemy city, the pictures of enemy civilian dead brought into every living room in the country on the evening news can easily turn what may have been a military success (assuming we also hit the military target) into a serious defeat.

    READ: The Changing Face of War: Into the Fourth Generation

    by William S. Lind, Colonel Keith Nightengale (USA),
    Captain John F. Schmitt (USMC), Colonel Joseph W. Sutton (USA),
    and Lieutenant Colonel Gary I. Wilson (USMCR)
    Marine Corps Gazette
    October 1989, Pages 22-26
    The Idea-Driven Fourth Generation is a fact.

    Here are some examples of 4GW:

    • Terrorists use a free society’s freedom and openness, its greatest strengths, against it. They can move freely within our society while actively working to subvert it. They use our democratic rights not only to penetrate but also to defend themselves. If we treat them within our laws, they gain many protections; if we simply shoot them down, the television news can easily make them appear to be the victims. Terrorists can effectively wage their form of warfare while being protected by the society they are attacking. If we are forced to set aside our own system of legal protections to deal with terrorists, the terrorists win another sort of victory.
    • Highly sophisticated psychological warfare, especially through manipulation of the media, particularly television news.
    • The genesis of an idea-based fourth generation may be visible in terrorism. This is not to say that terrorism is fourth generation warfare, but rather that elements of it may be signs pointing toward a fourth generation.
    Terrorism takes this a major step further. It attempts to bypass the enemy’s military entirely and strike directly at his homeland at civilian targets. Ideally, the enemy’s military is simply irrelevant to the terrorist.
    [SNIP]
    http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/lind/the-changing-face-of-war-into-the-fourth-generation.html

    4GW must be included in ROTC level training all the way to include command officer training. We must know and understand our enemies. NOT ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE AND PRACTICE SHARIAH/ISLAMIC LAW…SO THEY SAY!

  • TopAssistant

    Will UCLA teach our nation’s history with Islam? Who said this, to whom, when, why and what have we ever done about it? Would you consider this statement to be contrary to our Constitution, our way of life, a danger to our National/Homeland Security and the preservation of our Constitution? Would you think these are words of an enemy? Surely, both the House and Senate studied this but where are the reports?
    “The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every musselman [muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

    This statement was a part of a March 28, 1786, letter from John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, the United States Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Continental Congress, concerning their conversation with Tripoli’s to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman as to why his pirates/terrorists hijacked our merchant ships, stole the ships and cargo while holding the sailors for ransom. (Source: Founders Online: http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-09-02-0315

  • Lauren

    There is absolutely no reason for the ROTC to meet with the MSA…Plenty of pics are available to see what terrorists wear.

  • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

    Not really. The White guy is killing his children in front of his wife and then killing her or, he is killing people and expecting satisfaction. The Muslim is doing the same thing and he is just as wrong too.BOTH are a danger to society because of what they have done, not because of WHO they are.

  • Lauren

    No, it is not the same Jafar, and you know it. Both commit evil acts of murder, but there is a big difference between a mentally I’ll person who murders, and an evil political/religious ideology called Jihad that has been promoted for over 1,300 years.

  • http://www.penjihad.com/ Jafar Siddiqui

    As long as people continue to downplay the evils of their own and accentuate the evils of others, the cycle of evil can never end.
    Have the courage to recognize evil when you see it without first looking to see if it is by “our” side or by “their” side.

  • Lauren

    Jafar…You need to take your own advice. I did not downplay other’s evil.