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More than 250 students attended the USAC meeting Tuesday night to voice their opinions to council regarding the divestment resolution. (Joseph Chan/Daily Bruin)

More than 250 students attended the USAC meeting Tuesday night to voice their opinions to council regarding the divestment resolution. (Joseph Chan/Daily Bruin)


This post was updated on Nov. 20 at 5:22 p.m.

The undergraduate student government voted 8-2-2 at its meeting Tuesday night to pass a resolution that calls for the University of California to divest from American companies that some say profit from human rights violations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

About 250 students attended the Undergraduate Students Association Council meeting in the Ackerman Grand Ballroom, which lasted for more than four hours.

All public comments came from student supporters of the resolution and lasted about 90 minutes. When last year’s council voted on a similar resolution in February, public comment was heated and lasted more than nine hours during the nearly 12-hour-long meeting.

UCLA Chancellor Gene Block said in an emailed statement that the Board of Regents does not support divesting from companies that do business with Israel and that UCLA agrees with that stance.

Financial Supports Commissioner Heather Rosen and Academic Affairs Commissioner Allyson Bach voted against the resolution. Campus Events Commissioner Greg Kalfayan and Community Service Commissioner Cynthia Wong abstained from voting, saying they did not want to alienate students from their commissions.

Negeen Sadeghi-Movahed, USAC transfer student representative, was vocal about her support for the resolution throughout the night, saying she thought voting for the resolution was the morally right thing to do.

Some other councilmembers expressed concerns about the resolution being divisive. Rosen said she thinks the resolution unfairly targets Israel, and had asked for council to amend it to broaden it to all companies involved in human rights violations.

After the resolution was put to a vote, USAC President Avinoam Baral voiced his frustrations about not being able to voice his opinions against the resolution, especially because he is the only Israeli-born student sitting on council. USAC presidents typically do not vote unless there is a tie, and do not participate in discussions.

“I’m sorry I could not represent you how you wanted me to represent you,” Baral said to the Jewish and pro-Israel communities, in reference to the resolution.

Before the vote, some public commenters spoke about their personal connections to the issues outlined in the resolution.

Noor Habib El-Farra, a third-year geography and environmental studies student, said during public comment that nine of her family members died in the most recent conflict in the Gaza Strip this summer. She added that her uncle had cancer and died waiting at a checkpoint because it was difficult to receive proper medical care in the Gaza Strip.

“(The resolution) is just about seeing my family and not having to worry about them,” she said.

Multiple student groups signed onto the resolution as co-sponsors or endorsed its content, including the Afrikan Student Union, Armenian Student Association, MEChA de UCLA, Samahang Pilipino, Student Coalition Against Labor Exploitation, Queer Alliance and Bruin Feminists for Equality, among others. Many groups said their own communities have had experiences with discrimination and believe such experiences parallel what Palestinians are experiencing.

Representatives from Hillel at UCLA, Bruins for Israel and J Street U explained their opposition to the resolution in a 15-minute special presentation.

Eytan Davidovits, president of Bruins for Israel and a fourth-year economics student, said he thinks this resolution focuses on polarizing global issues and that USAC should instead look at issues that students on campus face.

At a press roundtable held prior to the USAC meeting, Tammy Rubin, a fourth-year human biology and society student and former president of Hillel at UCLA, said she thinks the divestment resolution does not accurately represent the views of the entire student body that the council represents.

Students against the resolution said that more than 2,000 people signed a petition put forward by Bruins for Israel stating their opposition to the resolution.

Students for Justice in Palestine made a separate special presentation arguing that council should divest from the companies listed in the resolution, including Boeing, Caterpillar and Hewlett-Packard, because they either contributed to the construction of settlements in the West Bank or provided weapons used in attacks on Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

Ayesha Khan, a member of Students for Justice in Palestine and a fourth-year microbiology, immunology and molecular genetics student, said in a public comment that she sympathizes with Palestinians who have been displaced from their homes because her ancestors were displaced during the partition of India in 1947.

“No UCLA student should be forced to funnel their tuition to the killing of their own family,” said Khan.

Rauya Mhtar, a fourth-year philosophy student, said she thought Tuesday’s meeting was less tense and fostered a more civilized discussion on divestment than the meeting in February, when the council voted on a similar resolution.

“There was a lot more solidarity in the room and people seemed to focus much more on the humanitarian aspect of the issue this time around,” Mhtar said.

The council vote comes less than a week after Devin Murphy resigned from the presidency. On Friday, Baral, former internal vice president, became USAC president. The position of internal vice president was vacant at the time of the vote.

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  • Publius

    Badass.

  • robman012

    Looks like the Israeli Apartheid train is losing its wheels

    • Publius

      I’m surprised a BFI robot hasn’t swooped in to call you anti-semitic yet.

      • Zev Allison

        there is butchering of Jews, not just Israelis, viz yesterday’s quadruple homicide. This is no longer an anti-Zionist issue, it is an anti-Semitic issue. Divesting from companies that keep these murderous clinically insane psychopaths at bay is the height of ignorance.

        • whomeyeahyou

          That is not a butchering, that’s a lone incident. Over the past few weeks, a Palestinian man was hanged last week, settlers ran over little children returning from school and stormed mosques, the Israeli government restricted access to Al Aqsa Mosque so people had to pray on the streets, they will not stop building their homes and demolishing palestinian homes, and 2 months ago the Israeli government committed all-out mass murder: I should think that THAT would be more aptly described as ‘butchering’ than a lone incident committed by 2 people not justified by the United Nations or the USA or any recognised government.

          • Huskystar

            Palestinian man was hanged last week
            ================
            It was a suicide but go ahead and blame Israel.Hamas has shot over 10,000 rockets into Israel and supports terror groups that kill American troops..Egypt is also moving homes away from the border of Gaza and putting up a military zone..they are tired of terrorism too..

          • Hephie

            The Good-ol’-Boys conducting the autopsy on the lynch victim say he tripped and fell. How impressive. Witnesses say otherwise.

          • ThisIsPalestine

            How many “lone incidents” do there have to be before they become wrong?

          • Zev Allison

            THEY HACKED FOUR MEN TO DEATH WITH A MEAT CLEAVER! HOW IS THAT NOT A BUTCHERING?!

            My goodness, the double standard is just too damn much.

          • Zev Allison

            People dying in a war made necessary by their own political decisions is not butchering, or even unfortunate (children and opponents of Hamas’s “Death to all Jews around the world” charter being the obvious exception). Israel managed to minimize civilian casualties per terrorist casualty FAR below what America or UK did when operating in similar situations.

            Jews praying in a synagogue posed no threat whatsoever to the lives of the men who entered and hacked them to death. THAT IS A BUTCHERING. Those murderers should burn in hell for all eternity.

          • Zev Allison

            It’s disgusting how you actually think you’re morally superior to others when you are so obnoxiously flippant about cold-blooded murder with no self-defense purpose whatsoever. “It’s a lone incident” that makes it anything less than a butchering?! the purposeful slaughter of peaceful civilians?! YOU’RE DESPICABLE

        • Dee

          Ummm….who exactly are these “murderous” people you speak of? Do tell.

          • Tony Riley

            That would be Hamas. A terrorist organisation that, last Summer, used child soldiers and teenage suicide bombers against Israel.

          • Hephie

            No. Israel propaganda–imitating Goebbels–targeted shools, hospitals and homes CLAIMING this. Like the Cast Lead Massacre, in a few years time, we will see an Israeli admission that it was all baseless. http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/no-rockets-unrwa-schools-gaza-during-gaza-war-2008-2009?id=1477

            All except the child soldiers, which you are simply making up because it sounds good.

          • Tony Riley

            A 10 year old, who was in camouflage and carrying an AK47, was killed with his uncle – an Hamas commander. When the Hamas terrorists broke out of the tunnels, one of those who was wounded and captured by the IDF was a 14 year old boy. The IDF came across several teenage suicide bombers.

          • Dee

            Everyone who supports this resolution is against violence and has no associations what so ever to Hamas. Check points are limiting the rights and freedoms of Palestinians to move about freely in their own lands.

          • Brownstudent

            “Everyone who supports this resolution is against violence”

            You don’t know that, Dee. Stop making things up.

          • Hephie

            No. Name someone backing the resolution who backs violence.

          • Brownstudent

            Ali Abunimah.

          • Hephie

            You ARE joking!!!!!!!!!!!

            Please link to his calling for violence.

          • Brownstudent

            Here you go:

            http://brandeiscenter.com/blog/ali-abunimah-advocates-solidarity-with-hamas/

            Learning a lot about BDS today, aren’t you?

          • Dee

            I wouldn’t say that if I didn’t know. :)

          • Brownstudent

            Good, well now you know and can’t claim you didn’t.

          • Dee

            I was responding to you saying I was lying. Nice try

          • Tony Riley

            No, the checkpoints are actually on the Israeli border. They exist to prevent terrorism, which, with yesterday’s murders, is probably the right thing. Are you aware that it is illegal for Jews to travel on Palestinian roads?

          • Zev Allison

            seriously? you want me to expound on what I mean by “murderous people” in the telling of two Palestinians who hacked to death with a meat cleaver and a gun five Jews? Do you think we’re just going to line up and walk into the gas chambers again? We’ll fight back against these nut jobs and nothing that 10 idiots at UCLA say is going to stop that.

          • Dee

            The resolution is passed. No one is walking into any gas chamber we just want Palestinian people to have their human rights

          • Zev Allison

            Every time human rights are extended to them, they use the opportunity to kill more Jews; this has been seen time and time and time again when left-wing Israelis decide that one people’s right to kill is more important than another’s right to live.

            The fact that eight ignoramuses at UCLA on a powerless council have demonstrated the fanatically left-wing bias on campus (with which I have to put up every single day) in no way helps the peace process.

            I appreciate your desire for human rights, as I desire the same thing, but applying that to criminals (and yes, people who support terrorists by voting for Hamas are criminals) without stopping and thinking is dangerous. Perhaps if the movements of those two murderers would’ve been more closely screened, five Jews wouldn’t have been slaughtered.

            And any Israeli or Jew, by the way, who wantonly administers vigilante justice such as the shameful murder of a Palestinian boy months ago, deserves exactly what he gets: indictment and prison by the only source of democracy in the region: Israel.

            When Palestine arrests and indicts Arabs who murder Jews rather than congratulating their families, I will consider much more seriously that they are open to peace.

          • SD Harris

            FU Dee. It is about time you turned around and fought against those who have written the demise of Israel into their charger. If you want peace, because you have no clue about history, then you better get your mind straight. Arabs can live in Israel – Fact. No Jews can live in Arab lands – Fact. Which society is civilized?????

      • Huskystar

        where are the hate boycotts for the Islamic countries..you know the ones that hangs gays and women..

        • Publius

          On Iran we impose economic sanctions and a trade embargo, so there’s that. No biggie.

          • Tony Riley

            What about Hamas though? It hangs Gays, persecutes Christians and tortures women.

          • Hephie

            Oh! DO link!

          • Hephie

            Notice: no link.

          • hophmi

            Sure. Of course, abuses in Gaza are not covered well for the same reason these abuses are not covered well in most Arab countries – Gaza is a closed society without a great deal of foreign press. But here’s one article on the matter:

            http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/ignoring-the-chaos-1.219725

            More extensive analysis is available from the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group, but their website is currently down. I don’t understand why being pro-Palestinian means denying the conservative cultural attitudes that exist in the Muslim world, but I notice pro-Palestinian propagandists do that, probably because if people actually fully understood them, it might make it more difficult to fool feminist and queer groups into activism on behalf of societies clearly hostile to their motives.

          • Hephie

            You DO understand that you’re citing an editorial, right? One that provides no quotes, no links, no sources…right?

            That’s not analysis. It’s propaganda.

          • SD Harris

            Propaganda? Is the Hamas charter propaganda? You know the one that calls directly for the obliteration of Israel in its constitution? You Heph have zero legitimacy if you call this one single fact a falsehood. Where is Jordan in taking care of the Palestinians? Why does Egypt turn their back on them? Where are any other Arab countries providing support?

          • Tony Riley

            You think that Hamas is organising a Gay Mardi Gras this year? They also banned Christmas 3 years ago.

            You’re seriously deluded. I mean, you think you’re Jewish!

          • Publius

            What about Hamas? Do you see the U.S. doing business with Hamas? Yes or no?

            Palestinian authorities and Palestinian religious radicals with political and social leverage do not necessarily represent the views of all Palestinians, nor do the atrocious treatment of gays and women negate the right of Palestinians to enjoy basic human rights.

          • Tony Riley

            I see the BDS movement giving comfort to Hamas through its actions, which share the Hamas aim of the destruction of Israel.

            Somebody voted for Hamas. Homosexuality is illegal in most Middle Eastern countries.

          • Publius

            People voted for the Republican Party, which advanced laws that criminalized homosexuality until the Supreme Court overturned all of them. According to your logic, it is okay to occupy the states where these people voted for majority Republicans who were virulently anti-gay, and deny them basic human rights?

            Should we continue taking that to its logical conclusion? There are tons of other examples, but I get the feeling that you will suspend logic to single out Palestine, the only totally occupied territory in the world whose inhabitants are treated like zoo animals.

          • Tony Riley

            Stop making excuses for Hamas.

          • SD Harris

            don’t blame anyone but them selves. There is no true democracy in Gaza…there is no true democracy in any Arab country..

        • Hephie

          We just invade them.

    • Zev Allison

      Wow it seems as if no one who swooped in on this has actually been there. Five Jews were butchered yesterday during prayers (they weren’t even Israeli), and UCLA recommends we divest from the companies used to keep these people out of the country?!

      Maybe if there were a few more walls they would be alive and with their families.

      • whomeyeahyou

        Maybe if they’d stayed in their own homes and let Palestinians live in theirs in peace they would be alive and with their families.

      • whomeyeahyou

        Maybe if they’d stayed in their own not-Israeli homes and let Palestinians live in theirs in peace they would be alive and with their families.

        • Huskystar

          Even after the arabs started 2 wars against Israel and lost Israel gave up Gaza to the palestinians for peace..in 8 years Hamas has shot over 10,000 rockets into Israel. Now Egypt is also moving homes away from the border of Gaza and putting up a military zonel..they are tired of terrorism too..

          • Dee

            This information you present has nothing to do with the resolution. The resolution involved solely divesting from American companies that profit from the illegal occupation of Palestine and the violation of Palestinian human rights.

          • Tony Riley

            Last summer, I noticed that Hamas was using caterpillar bulldozers to demolish houses owned by Fatah.

          • Hephie

            Really!!! Do link!

            (This is snark. There is no link.)

          • Tony Riley

            Why would there be a link? That’s like me asking you, why do you hate Jews?

          • Hephie

            Because, Radar, You made a claim of fact; you can’t back it up, and now you’re trying to dodge getting called on it.

            P.S.–I’m Jewish.

          • Tony Riley

            No you’re not.

          • Dee

            Well it’s a good thing we are trying to divest from caterpillar bulldozers then. Wouldn’t you say?

          • Hephie

            Which wars did they start? Not 47-48. That began with the Yishuv’s ethnic cleansing program after the non-binding General Assembly recommendation to Britain to partition Palestine against the wishes of most of its inhabitants. Not 56, when Israel, in a cabal with Britain and France attacked Egypt. Not 67, when Israel launched its war of conquest with a Pearl Harbor attack on Egypt. The only war started by Arab (note the capital ‘A’in ‘Arab’) was 1973, when Egypt and Syria attacked to retake territory lost that Israeli intransigence would not return. Israel took Sadat’s 1971 offer at Camp David–it took a war and Washington’s frustration at having to save Israel’s bacon that got the deal.

          • hophmi

            The Independence War did not begin with ethnic cleansing, although that’s a common excuse. The Arab states made quite clear what would happen if Israel declared independence.

            Pearl Harbor attack of Egypt? You must be friendly with someone related to Gamal Abdul Nasser, who massed his troops on Israel’s border and closed the Straits of Tiran to provoke the conflict.

            The 1973 War, launched on Yom Kippur, was a final test of Israeli military superiority. Fortunately, Israel repelled the joint Egyptian/Syrian attack and saved the Israeli people from annihilation.

          • Hephie

            No. I’m just better informed than you are–actually having read some history.

            ‘I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.’ (Le Monde, February 28, 1968 )
            General Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Staff, Israeli Defence Forces

            ‘In June l967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in
            the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to
            attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him’ (New York Times, August 21, 1982)
            Menachem Begin, Minister without Portfolio, (http://tinyurl.com/nvk6p)

            ‘All those stories about the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an argument expounded once the war was over, had never been considered in our calculations prior to the unleashing of hostilities. While we proceeded towards the full mobilisation of our forces, no person in his right mind could believe that all this force was necessary to our defence against the Egyptian threat. To pretend that the Egyptian forces concentrated on our borders were
            capable of threatening Israel’s existence does not only insult the intelligence of any person capable of analysing this kind of situation, but is primarily an insult to the Israeli army.’ (Le Monde, June 3, 1972)
            General Mattitiahu Peled, Chief Quartermaster-General’s Branch, Israeli
            Defence Forces, General Staff

            Israel was saved from losing the Golan and Sinai by an emergency American airlift in 73. Save your macho Nietzschean Jewish Superman fantasies for elsewhere.

          • hophmi

            Yes, I’ve seen these quotes before. Real students of history don’t argue based on out-of-context propaganda quotes on the internet.

            The question of who started the 1967 war is a somewhat controversial one among historians, but most agree that Israel acted defensively. Nasser’s closing of the Straits of Tiran was a casus belli meant to strangle Israel economically.

            “Israel was saved from losing the Golan and Sinai by an emergency American airlift in 73.”

            I think that’s somewhat of an exaggeration, and the assumption that the 1973 was just about the Sinai and the Golan is a little silly in light of the conflict’s history.

          • Hephie

            How are they out of context???

            Japan argued that Pearl Harbor was defensive. No one in their right mind buys that. Wars start when someone starts shooting. Israel launched the Six-Day War in what Begin himself called ‘Israel’s war of choice’.

            Massage the facts all you want. Most pro-Israel historians call the war defensive. The independents think otherwise.

          • hophmi

            “How are they out of context???”

            Simply provide the originals of each of these articles, along with your detailed analysis from historians indicating that these quotes amount to a credible assertion that Israel’s war was an offensive war of conquest and was launched for that reason, and the this is a prevailing view amongst historians.

            “Japan argued that Pearl Harbor was defensive. No one in their right mind buys that. ”

            Israel in 1967 is not Japan at Pearl Harbor. The United States certainly posed no existential threat to Japan, and did not indicate over and over again a desire to destroy Japan as a country. Egypt and Syria certainly did pose a major existential threat to Israel, and leaders in both country voiced their desire to destroy it and to kill large numbers of Israeli civilians in the process.

            “Most pro-Israel historians call the war defensive.” Most historians analyze the war beyond your talking points, pro-Israel and otherwise.

          • Hephie

            Considering that the Begin quote is linked to the Israeli MFA–a site I assume you don’t think is linked to Hamas–and the quotes need no context otherwise, you’re blowing smoke. It is obvious.

            Admit it. You can’t argue the point. Substance-free propaganda and nothing more.

            Take your meds.

          • hophmi

            Really, repeating “take your meds” is not only silly; it’s deeply offensive to those who suffer from mental illness.
            “Considering that the Begin quote is linked to the Israeli MFA–a site I assume you don’t think is linked to Hamas–and the quotes need no context otherwise, you’re blowing smoke. It is obvious.”

            No, it’s not obvious. What’s obvious is that you’re quoting the statement out of context. Here’s the full context:

            “In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.

            This was a war of self-defence in the noblest sense of the term. The government of national unity then established decided unanimously: We will take the initiative and attack the enemy, drive him back, and thus assure the security of Israel and the future of the nation.

            We did not do this for lack of an alternative. We could have gone on waiting. We could have sent the army home. Who knows if there would have been an attack against us? There is no proof of it. There are several arguments to the contrary. While it is indeed true that the closing of the Straits of Tiran was an act of aggression, a causus belli, there is always room for a great deal of consideration as to whether it is necessary to make a causus into a bellum.”

            So, exactly like I said, Begin, like most historians, regarded the war as a war of self-defense, and argued that the closing of the Straits of Tiran was a casus belli. The speech is not principally about how Israel fought a war of choice. The speech, which was given at Israel’s National Defense College, is about the decisionmaking process, and about going to war when war is one of several available alternatives, in the context of longer passage comparing wars of choice with wars of necessity, and analyzing wars of choice in terms of price of electing not to respond to aggression. It is not in any way the confession of conquest that you presented it as. Next time, read your sources, rather than pulling them off of propaganda websites.

          • Hephie

            Thank you for providing the context that proves my point.

            Recomending help to the psychologically troubled is not condescending. It is helpful.

            Take your meds.

          • hophmi

            “Recomending help to the psychologically troubled is not condescending. It is helpful.”

            It’s deeply offensive, and no, the context does not remotely prove your propaganda talking point, but I’ve been at this long enough to know that people generally do anything to avoid question their assumptions, regardless of the evidence with which they’re presented, and you are no exception.

          • Hephie

            It’s perhaps deeply offensive to you because you are in such desperate need of treatment.

            I’ve been at this long enough to know that people generally do anything to avoid question their assumptions, regardless of the evidence with which they’re presented, and you are no exception.

            Only difference is, I can back up my claims. You can’t.

          • hophmi

            Again, the I’m-rubber-you’re-glue really isn’t going to work here, and so far, you’ve not been able to back up much of what you’ve claimed, because it appears that your knowledge of conflict is limited.

          • Hephie

            No. That’s just your imperviousness to reality. I’ve quoted. You’ve shouted ‘Context!’Your context only proves my point. It appears that your bigotry and hatred of all things non-Jewish has blinded you to reality.

          • hophmi

            Hatred of all things non-Jewish? OK. That’s my cue. I’ll not descend to dignify this kind of slander. If you’re typical of the average pro-Palestinian activist at UCLA, I totally get now why the Jewish community decided not the dignify the likes of you. It’s no surprise that you’re followed by Holocaust denier Michael Santomauro.

          • Tony Riley

            Says the Jew-hater who thinks he is Jewish!

          • jeffklives

            hophmi showed she is far more informed than you.

          • Hephie

            Hmm! Let’s see. 1,400 Gazans killed in the Cast Lead Massacre to three Israeli civies and ten soldiers? Over two thousand killed this last go round, with an Israeli civilian kill ratio DOUBLE that of Assad, while the Gazan resistance’s score was overwhelmingly IDF military scum sent home in body bags.

            The bottle rockets out of Gaza most often have no warhead. Those that do can’t penetrate cinderblock–hence the ease of Israeli shelters. This versus US-supplied two-ton bombs dropped on apartment blocks.

            Tell us about terrorism!

    • Huskystar

      Calif-France-Canada-China-Google-AOL- All have signed billion dollar deals with Israel this year.
      This boycott is based on hate and soon they will start to add other to their hate list

      • Huskystar

        This one today

        Under Modi, Israel and India forge deeper business ties

        • Hephie

          Modi’s an ethno-fascist. Good company for Israel.

    • ThisIsPalestine

      Someone doesn’t know what apartheid is.

      • Tony Riley

        That would be you.

      • Hephie
        • Tony Riley

          There is no Apartheid in Israel. Meanwhile, Jews are banned in Palestine. You’d love it there.

          • Hephie

            1) Read the Convention.

            2) No Jews in Palestine??? Are you kidding??? Abbas has made perfectly clear that Jews can remain as Palestinian citizens. — http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=200935&R=R3

            3) I’m Jewish. I’ve been there. Had no problems whatsoever.

          • Tony Riley

            You’re not Jewish. Stop kidding yourself. In Palestine, it is an offence, punishable by death, to sell property to a Jew.

        • ThisIsPalestine

          File not found. Perfect illustration of the knowledge base of Palestinian supporters.

    • Tony Riley

      Actually, there is no “Apartheid” in Israel. Only in Palestine.

      • Hephie

        The South Africans see apartheid in Israel– http://electronicintifada.net/files/090608-hsrc.pdf.

        Apartheid in Palestine? Only that imposed by the illegal squatters. For its part the PA has been clear–Jews are welcome as Palestinian citizens– http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/135325

        Those arguing Israeli apartheid include Desmond Tutu and Zbigniew Brzezinski, Hendrik
        Verwoerd, former prime minister of South Africa and architect of South Africa’s apartheid policies, J.J. Fouche, South African Minister of Defence during the apartheid era, the Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU), the Human Sciences Research Council of South Africa, John Dugard, a South African professor of international law and an ad hoc Judge on the International Court of Justice, serving as the Special Rapporteur for the United Nations on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories, Winnie Madikizela-Mandela or Dennis Goldberg or Arun Ghandh, a statement by the South African government itself on 24 November 2009, thirty-four signers—leading South African activists who published an open letter called ‘We fought apartheid; we see no reason to celebrate
        it in Israel now!’ and Kgalema Motlanthe, Deputy President of the ruling ANC.

        ‘The Palestinia­n minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health,
        education, housing and land possession­, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the ‘Jewish state’, and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans [under apartheid]­.’

        Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against apartheid, former minister for intelligen­ce in the South African government and a devout Jew.

        The Guardian, 25 May 2005

        • Tony Riley

          You are aware that Winnie is insane? Ronnie and the others just hate Israel. Yawn.

          How many black politicians were there in the South African parliament?

          How come some of the richest Israeli citizens are Arabs?

          My neighbour in Israel is an Arab. He owns a thriving business and his own house.

          I once asked him if he would like live under the rule of Fatah, and he said that he couldn’t afford to pay the bribes! When I asked about Hamas, he said they were all religious nutters.

    • Tony Riley

      Looks like the racist imbecile train has just picked up another passenger.

    • Tony Riley

      Looks like the Jew-hating Express just made a stop to pick up more imbeciles.

  • TrueBruin

    A total 30,000+ undergraduate students at UCLA and only 250 show up to a resolution hearing that is somehow intended to represent the voices and opinions of the entire undergraduate population, in addition to the lack of and IVP representation, due to the recent resignation of the former USAC president. In addition to that, USAC council stayed firm in their support to limit the press on this geopolitical issue to only the Daily Bruin and to only anyone with a Bruin card…because this highly external issue should be limited to a few students internally. Time to put this resolution in the UC Regent suggestion box for it to be thrown out at the end of the week. Yeah, big win.

    • robman012

      uhhh, its a student issue, so why does outside press, like CAMERA, should have the right to come in and intimidate council members and students with constant in-your-face recording? This isn’t external, but a student issue, for UCLA is investing in companies that support illegal colonialism, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing.

      • TrueBruin

        Whatever your opinions of the matter may be, the reality is that while this issue concerns students, it concerns the greater community as well. Should there not have been local media present when UCLA students were protesting the USA involvement in the Vietnam War in the 1960s? Students and people our age were being directly affected, but it was also affecting the broader community as well. The same goes for this. You can’t limit the press and sustain a workable, accountable representative democracy. That’s why.

      • walt kovacs

        public university paid for by cali taxpayer monies

        what about that do you not understand

        • Hephie

          What part of ‘STUDENT association’ do you not get???

      • TrueBruin

        Right. Because the other 29,750 undergraduate students do not care in the least bit about this resolution or about the Arab-Israeli conflict, which is an attestment as to why this resolution should not have been put on the table in the first place. A population so small is suppose to act as the the single representation for the vast majority that has no idea what is even going on? And this is not a vote per organization. One organization may have a varying amount of members. This is definitely not an indicator of the majority of the campus consensus.

        • Zev Allison

          It definitely isn’t. I am extremely interested in this debate, but after February’s kangaroo court (which, I swear, reminded me of makeshift kangaroo court from summer camp), I absolutely had no desire to dignify this glorified chess-club with my presence.

      • Huskystar

        investing in companies that support illegal colonialism

        =========

        This is a lie…Israel gave up Gaza to the palestinians for peace..in 8 years Hamas has shot over 10,000 rockets into Israel. Now Egypt is also moving homes away from the border of Gaza and putting up a military zonel..they are tired of terrorism too..

        • Hephie

          How to recognize a far-right fringe fanatic: Does not capitalize the names of the ‘wrong’ nationalities. (It’s a tiny testicuarity thing.)

          • Tony Riley

            How would you characterise someone who pretends to be a Jew?

      • Tony Riley

        So, you’re actually admitting that it’s just a few dedicated bigots who are behind this movement?

    • walt kovacs

      also, all public comment from non ucla students was blocked

      and so dies the free speech movement on uc campuses

      • Teeta Malangi

        It was a student issue, why would outsiders be allowed to come and speak?

        • Zev Allison

          It’s a university paid for by the Los Angeles and Californian community. Of course Californians should have a say.

    • walt kovacs

      why did the president resign?

      • Huskystar

        The undergrad student president resigned his post less than a week before the vote, saying the school was not “made for people like me,” a self-described “Afro-Cuban queer male.”

        • Tony Riley

          Can we assume that he isn’t moving to Gaza?

          • Hephie

            He certainly isn’t moving to Jerusalem!

          • Tony Riley

            Can we assume that you’ve never been to Israel?

        • Dee

          I understand what he meant as a black and brown student I have been told that my being here is only to fill a quota. I have also encountered the ignorance and shock of my fellow black bruins not being student athletes. Would you feel welcomed in an institution that only sees value in you if you can dribble a ball? Check your privilege.

    • Huskystar

      A total 30,000+ undergraduate students at UCLA and only 250 show up to a resolution
      ============
      Sad no one stood up against this hate

      • Dee

        There was open space for both sides to debate but those who oppose the resolution said nothing during the time of public comments. I guess it was not worth their time.

    • http://mikesays.eatthismuch.com Michael Chronley

      On one hand I often had similar opinions during my undergrad, but honestly we can’t fault a system where 33% voter participation is pretty standard… Yet the November elections proved that the problem is endemic and not a local phenomenon.

      A few highly motivated individuals pushing an aggressive social agenda that is criticized as ineffectual if well meaning – This is about as real as it gets in American Democracy

  • Teeta Malangi

    Good job UCLA!

    We should not invest in colonization and destruction of another peoples.

    Israel must stop its colonization of West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem and let Palestinians have the right of self-determination.

    Until that happens, Israel remain a colonial, apartheid state.

    • Zev Allison

      you’re a moron. you clearly haven’t been there, spoken to people there, or visited these cities.

      • whomeyeahyou

        Prepared to bet anything you like (israel’s long life perhaps?) that they’re much less of a moron than yourself

    • ThisIsPalestine

      UCLA, college in America populated by European-Americans, pointing fingers at Israel for being “colonialist”. Hilarious.

      • Hephie

        What’s so funny? European colonists ethnically cleanse those of the ‘wrong’ ethnicity in 1948 and European colonists ethnically cleanse America in the 18th and 19th century. America has learned to be ashamed of its ethnic cleansing. When will Israel?

        • Brownstudent

          Arabs ethnically cleansed everyone who fell under their colonialist rule:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

          And then they come to UCLA whining and moaning that their victims have reclaimed their right of self-determination. How privileged can you get?

          • Hephie

            Do you read your own links?????

            The Muslim Conquest was not a migration, did not ethnically cleanse anyone.

            Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine. London, UK: Polity. p. 221.
            ‘Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since the seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.’

            ‘Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from,
            historical Palestine. Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.’ Bassam Abu-Libdeh, Peter D. Turnpenny, and Ahmed Teebi, ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics
            and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.

            David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the
            time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on ‘the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly
            Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

            ‘While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ,
            and did so again after Bar Kochba’s revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical
            narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.’ Micheal Prior, Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

          • Brownstudent

            It doesn’t look like you read the link, just copied and pasted some Palestinian propaganda.

            No one, not even the Palestinians themselves, deny that the Arabs stole everything outside of Yemen and Omar with a Koran in one hand and a sword in the other.

            Just out of curiosity, are there any other major historical events that you deny?

          • Hephie

            Ben Gurion is a Palestinian propagandist????

            Just out of curiosity, is there anything that you’ve actually read on the subject? I mean other than zio-nazi websites.

            There is not one historian claiming that indigenous populations were displaced during the Muslim Conquest. Not one.

            Stop playing with the adults and go to school.

          • youandme2

            Try Islamic Imperialism: A History by Efriam Karsh
            http://www.amazon.com/Islamic-Imperialism-History-Efraim-Karsh/dp/0300106033

            Even basic knowledge of the Muslim conquest is clearly unfamiliar to you.

        • ThisIsPalestine

          Israel hasn’t ethnically cleansed anyone. But it would be completely justified in removing Arab colonialists from the Jewish homeland.

          • Hephie

            Zion heil!

          • Brownstudent

            Perfect example of the kind of person who supports BDS.

    • Huskystar

      Jerusalem is not a settlement it is the capital of Israel and has been long before the arabs came from the Arabian Peninsula and started building on top Jewish holy sites..that makes the settlers.

      • Hephie

        Sorry if every government in the world and every body of international law from the UN Security Council to the Int’l Court of Justice to the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions are all agreed that Gaza, the West Bank and E. J’lem are occupied territories to which Israel has no claim whatsoever.

        • Brownstudent

          You’re lying, of course, no surprise though, that’s what BDS supporters do.

          • Hephie

            Link to a country that recognizes Israeli sovereignty or claim to the West Bank, Gaza, East J’lem or the Golan. Name me one country with an embassy in J’lem. Give us a UNSC Resolution.

            PROVE me wrong. Saying ‘Liar! Liar!’ doesn’t impress anyone.

          • Brownstudent

            There’s a big difference between recognizing Israeli sovereignty and agreeing that they “are occupied territories to which Israel has no claim whatsoever.”

            Ask an adult to explain the difference to you if you still don’t understand it.

            Here’s a UNSC resolution: 242. It says that Israel has the right to secure and recognized boundaries and the Arabs must make peace with it. Neither of which BDSers agree with.

          • Hephie

            In other words, you have no link.

            UNSC 242 is very clear: Step one–Israel withdraws from the occupied territories. Step two–Make peace.

            We’re still waiting for the withdrawal.

            All countries in the world and every institution of international law recognize the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Specifically, this means the illegal Israeli squats are a war crime. All countries in the world and every institution of international law recognize the principle of no acquisition of territory by war.

            Just to spell it out to a child like yourself:

            ‘The principle of inadmissibility of acquiring territory by force has become part of
            general international law, endowed with the character of a preemptory rule of international law (jus cogens). It has been confirmed in such instruments as, inter alia, the Friendly Relations Declaration of the General Assembly (GA) in 1970 and reaffirmed in a series of Security Council (SC) resolutions concerned with specific cases, including Resolution 242….’

            International Law: A Dictionary, Boleslaw Boczek, p. 214.

          • Brownstudent

            You are the one making the claim, so you need to provide a link, champ. Get to it.

          • Hephie

            What? You are the one saying that what I’m saying is not true, champ. PROVE ME WRONG.

            One link. Thatś all it would take. I’m arguing that there is no country in the world that recognizes an Israeli claim to the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

            PROVE ME WRONG:

          • Brownstudent

            Arafat was a child molester who died of AIDS. Prove me wrong.

            See, anyone can say anything and demand others prove them wrong, but that isn’t how logic works.

          • Tony Riley

            Israel left Gaza 8 years ago.

            Most of the land it has in the “West Bank” will remain within Israel under the terms of any final peace deal. Both sides have acknowledged this.

            By the way, UN242 specifies that any non-Israeli who comes back to Israel will have to become an Israeli citizen and pledge allegiance to the state.

          • Dee

            And you are making up things about me while you have no idea who I am or what I stand for. That’s what people who want to silence the voices of the under represented people do.

          • Brownstudent

            When you signed on with BDS you made it very clear what you stand for: genocide, apartheid, murder, the annihilation of Jewish human rights, and racism. If that bothers you, tear up your BDS membership card. I didn’t ask BDS to be so awful, or for you to join it, I just tell the truth. Try it sometime.

          • Dee

            Lol…BDS card, I never joined and BDS group. All humans matter. If isreal was being illegally occupied and our school invested in US companies that were profiting off of it then I would stand to divest from those companies as well. But this isn’t a game of what ifs. Palestinians aren’t free in their homeland which is a violation of human rights and human rights is what I as an under represented Bruin am standing for. Now I am done with your ignorance and accusations.

          • Brownstudent

            You have a “Divest” sticker as your profile picture. You stood alongside the brownshirts of BDS, fighting their fight with them. You are culpable for their actions.

            But I’m glad that you don’t deny what I say about BDS is true.

          • Dee

            Okay what you say about BDS is a lie :) there happy now?

          • SD Harris

            all those of Jewish people have been kicked out of every single Arab lead country. But are you going to their support? Of course not. You are the racist and bigot Ms. Dee. You are an embarrassment to UCLA.

          • Hephie

            Lay off the Ziocaine!

    • Tony Riley

      Israel left Gaza 8 years ago, you fool.

      • Hephie

        ‘The significance of the disengagement plan is the freezing of the peace process,’ Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser Dov Weisglass has told Haaretz.

        ‘And when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian
        state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda. And all this with authority and permission. All with a
        presidential blessing and the ratification of both houses of Congress.’

        Weisglass, who was one of the initiators of the disengagement plan, was speaking in
        an interview with Haaretz for the Friday Magazine.

        ‘The disengagement is actually formaldehyde,’ he said. ‘It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians.’

        http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/top-pm-aide-gaza-plan-aims-to-freeze-the-peace-process-1.136686

        • Tony Riley

          Are you saying that Israel is in Gaza?

    • http://www.wetravellightly.com/ Travelightly

      Then get out of the United States. You know the history here, don’t you? You are profiting by all the money you give to this colonization and destruction of another peoples. Hypocrite.

  • hophmi

    Hey, listen, I think it’s a great idea to alienate important donor bases at a time when you’re facing tuition hikes. Who cares whether UCLA students suffer? What’s important is for the lefty student groups to get together to pass a totally meaningless resolution that condemns one small state in region awash in despots and nihilism.

    • Hephie

      Yup! All those Klan-backing businesses back in the fifties had the same argument.

      • hophmi

        Newsflash: Israel is not the United States in the 1950′s. It’s a multiracial democracy. And SJP isn’t the 1950′s civil rights movement trying to achieve full civil rights for all. It’s a partisan Palestinian movement trying to discriminate against the Jewish state, which it seeks to destroy and replace.

        • Hephie

          Odd. That’s not how the South Africans see it: http://electronicintifada.net/files/090608-hsrc.pdf

          • hophmi

            Who cares how the South Africans see it? They owe a political debt to the PLO, and they prop up Robert Mugabe. They’re not the moral arbiters on this issue that you think they are.

          • Hephie

            Desmond Tutu–Nobel Prize winner–is in thrall to the nefarious PLO???

            Do take some medication!

          • Tony Riley

            He hates Jews. Except fake ones, of course.

  • ThisIsPalestine

    Meanwhile, UCLA will continue to invest in companies that profit from American warmongering. No double standards here!

    • Tony Riley

      Sorry, my reply was not to you, but meant as a general question.

    • Hephie

      One step at a time.

  • Mozhgan Savabieasfahani

    More power to you all. I hope we will see similar student activism for boycott of Israel at University of Michigan.

    • Tony Riley

      And which wonderful democratic Human Rights haven do you originate in?

    • Brownstudent

      Would that be the same university where not at all anti-Semitic BDS proponents made death threats to the student senators and called their opponents “kikes” and “dirty Jews?”

      http://freebeacon.com/issues/pro-israel-students-called-kike-dirty-jew-at-university-of-michigan/

      I think it was. Great movement that UCLA has signed on with.

      • Hephie

        The FREE BEACON??? What next? The National Enquirer???

  • Dee

    It’s attitudes like yours that contribute to the continuation of silencing and marginalizing of under represented students as myself. If an issue affects just one student it is a student issue.

    • Brownstudent

      You think because your people picked a fight about religion thousands of miles away the other 30,000 students at UCLA have to put everything on hold and deal with it?

      Check your privilege.

      • Dee

        While I am not at all Arab or Palestinian I am human. This has nothing to do with religion only human rights.

        • Brownstudent

          BDS is about destroying Israel. It has nothing to do with human rights, only abusing them as an excuse to get sympathy for their genocidal cause. If you believe that BDS is about human rights, you have been lied to.

          • Hephie

            ‘Civil rights is about destroying white America’–bigot like yourself, circa 1964.

          • Brownstudent

            Tell it to the leaders of your movement, champ:

            http://www.stopbds.com/?page_id=48

            Now you know that BDS is about genocide, you have two choices: carry on anyone, and be complicit in the genocide it preaches, or change your ways and stand against the evil that is BDS. You cannot claim ignorance anymore.

          • Hephie

            Interesting link to the zio-nazi echo chamber! Ending communism in Russia did not mean the elimination of Russians. No genocide required. Ending apartheid in Israel is just the same. Ending the hateful and supremacist colonial state of Israel would be a liberation for Jews. As a Jew, I consider the Zionist ideology to be a stain on Judaism.

          • Brownstudent

            Since you actually had the stones to look at the link, you must have noticed that every quote contained within it was linked to a pro-BDS or pro-Palestinian source verifying its authenticity and providing all the context you need.

            But I’m glad that you don’t deny that BDS is about destroying Israel, not about the “human rights of Palestinians” or any of that other bull crap its proponents sling.

          • Hephie

            And none of them called for genocide, killing Jews or anything of the like.

            Yes. Israel must end. Just like apartheid South Africa. Just like the USSR.

            Israel is an evil. An ethnocracy based on racial privilege. It is a stain on Judaism.

            Jewish liberation needs to see the back of Nazi-inspired Zionist ideology.

          • Brownstudent

            Palestinians murdered five Jews today and you say that when they seek the end of Israel there will be no killing involved. No one believes your lies.

          • jeffklives

            You just showed your true colors.

            Not much to say to someone on this issue when someone comes into the discussion with these premises.

            The best and only real solution to the conflict is two states for two people. It isn’t calling for Israel to end.

          • Tony Riley

            Do you support the human rights of Hamas to hang Gays and torture Christians?

        • Tony Riley

          The Jordanian Parliament held a minute’s silence on Wednesday for the dead. That’s for the 2 dead “Martyrs” who murdered the 5 Jews, of course.

      • Dee

        What’s on hold my fellow bruin? I don’t see anything being held back our usac council is capable of working on more than one issue at a time. As a black and brown student I have had countless people tell me that I am lucky to be here that I’m only here at this institution to fill a quota. I am privileged that I don’t have to stand at check points for hours just to move about in a nation which I am a citizen of unlike the Palestinian people who I am fighting for. So please check your privilege

        • Brownstudent

          The USAC council has never worked on international conflicts and politics before this issue, and never will again, because that is not their job. Yet you *expect* them to give you a platform to spew hatred of your political enemies for hours, and then pass a resolution in service of a genocidal cause just because “If an issue affects just one student it is a student issue.”

          *That* is privilege.

          • Dee

            So divesting in the past from companies that profited from South African apartheid…oh yeah that’s not an international issue?

          • Brownstudent

            ULCA did not divest from South Africa, and if they had it wouldn’t have been because people like you hijacked the student council and forced them to pass meaningless resolutions about it.

          • Dee

            UCLA students did not divest from South Africa…you are right. They divested from US companies that profited from apartheid South Africa.

          • Brownstudent

            They didn’t do that either, source? And while you’re at it, why don’t you look up why that decision was made. Was it because a gang of thugs demanded that the student council vote on a resolution to do so?

          • Dee

            Why don’t you show me a source that says it didn’t happen? Gang of thugs? No those were students. Seems to me like you are calling students of color who were at the forefront of this movement thugs. Sounds a bit racist to me.

          • Brownstudent

            Act like thugs, get called thugs. Doesn’t matter what color your skin is.

          • Dee

            Who acted like a thug? Please do tell.

        • Tony Riley

          You’re black and brown? How does that manifest itself?

      • Hephie

        But it has never BEEN about religion! It’s about ethic cleansing and apartheid.

        • Brownstudent

          That’s according to BDS propagandists, not according to reality.

          • Hephie

            Tell that to the thousands of Arab Christians expelled from their homes in 48 and 67. Tell that to the Christians living in the West Bank. Their leaders are clear that occupation and Israeli apartheid are the main forces driving Christians off the land.

            Simply read the Kairos Palestine statement: http://www.kairospalestine.ps/sites/default/Documents/English.pdf

          • Brownstudent

            Tell that to the Jews who lived in Hebron before 1929, when the peaceful Palestinian victims massacred and ethnically cleansed them decades before Israel was even founded.

          • Hephie

            You mean the riots provoked by Jabotinsky wherein Arabs SAVED ten times more Jews from death??? You mean the Jews removed by the BRITISH???

            Do please read up on your history before posting nonsense.

          • Brownstudent

            You misspelled “Haj Amin Al-Husseini,” apologists.

            And did you seriously just say that the Arabs should be thanked for not murdering as many innocent people as they could have? How arrogant can some people be?

            But my point stands: Arabs kill because the very idea of Jews having human rights is offensive to them. Not because of “settlements” or “occupation.” You know this, I know this, everyone who isn’t indoctrinated knows this.

          • Hephie

            Racist smell test: Turn the words around.

            ‘Jews kill because…’

            Yup! You’re just another stinky bigot in search of a hood and a white robe!

          • Brownstudent

            Your BDS shilling friends said far worse than that last night. Where were you with your sad tired race card, whining like a baby then?

  • Tony Riley

    Several of the sponsoring groups – Queer Alliance for example – would, of course, face torture and hanging were they to ever visit Gaza, or the “West Bank”. There is, of course, no equality for women there either.

    • Hephie

      Says you.

      • http://www.wetravellightly.com/ Travelightly

        Actually says them. Surprising ignorance, Heph.

        • Tony Riley

          Not so surprising.

  • Tony Riley

    They were all Israeli citizens.

    You’re probably unaware that 22% of Israeli citizens are Arabs.

    • Hephie

      Who, at best, live under Jim Crow.

      • Tony Riley

        No, all equal under the Israeli law.

        Meanwhile Jews are illegal in most Middle Eastern countries, and Christians are persecuted in Gaza.

        Stop being a racist imbecile. Oops, too late. Oh well.

      • Zev Allison

        Honestly, why do people like you open your mouths like you think you’re prophets and spout falsehoods about issues you’ve never personally investigated?

        So frustrating. They live under the same laws as all Jewish Israelis, and they always have. You speak lies with such hate and venom, your tongue should be cut out.

  • hophmi

    Yeah, I was surprised that people actually argued that the resolution wasn’t a political statement against Israel. I mean, c’mon. Basic honesty would be nice.

    • Hephie

      Is Israel in violation of international law? Yes. Should UCA fund that violation? No.

      Perhaps Israel should accept international law.

      • hophmi

        Why should Israel accept a selectively-applied structurally antisemitic construct created mostly by hostile states with poor human rights records in order to divert attention from their own human rights violations?

        Should UCA fund human rights violations in Egypt? Saudi Arabia? Yemen? Pakistan? Vietnam? Colombia? It does, and I see no real movement on campus to do anything about it. I surmise that’s because it’s politically expedient to pick on the small Jewish state.

        • Hephie

          Every country in the world is anti-Semitic??? Every government in the world is anti-Semitic? Every body of international law from the UN Security Council to the Int’l Court of Justice to the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions is anti-Semitic???

          Take some anti-psychotics!

          • hophmi

            I guess you don’t understand the concept of structural racism very well.

          • Hephie

            I guess you have nothing real to say–thus the weak comeback.

          • hophmi

            Do you understand the concept of structural racism? The international law is afflicted with a form of it called structural antisemitism. It is set up to discriminate against the Jewish state for geopolitical and historical reasons.

          • Hephie

            Yes. We know. It’s all a one-world conspiracy!

            Take your meds.

          • hophmi

            Your garden variety insults, so typical of people in the BDS community, really do not affect me. They only show that you lack the courage of your convictions, as well as basic knowledge of the international system, Israel’s history, Jewish history, Palestinian history, and European history.

          • Hephie

            In other words, you really have nothing to say.

          • hophmi

            No, it’s just that my time is a little too important to go back and forth like this. I’ve wasted enough of it with you.

          • Hephie

            In other words, you really have nothing to say.

          • Tony Riley

            In other words, you’re not really a Jew?

  • Evan Moffitt

    The only thing USAC just decided was their right to unilaterally represent the views of UCLA students, which if the presence of significant opposition (apparently at least 2,000 people) throughout these debates is any indication, they simply cannot do without ignoring the facts. We should be clear: this was not a victory for BDS. NO funds will be divested from Israel (just ask the UC Regents).

    What’s more troubling, though, is the misleading oversimplification of the issues surrounding the resolution. You’d expect that students at a top-ranked university would understand that complex problems require complex solutions (you cannot perform brain surgery with a hatchet). But you’d be wrong. Ayeesha Khan says this is just like the partition of India and Pakistan? What set of specific historical and cultural circumstances could possibly validate that statement? And the constant insistence that “your tuition is invested in human rights abuses” is actually a lie (whether conscious or not)–your tuition pays for the operation of the university, while the UCLA endowment (a separate fund) gets invested in these companies. How will symbolically voting to divest money that has nothing to do with your financial obligations to the university, money you have no power over, help protect your family in Gaza? Facing these facts, how are UCLA students paying tuition to kill the families of their classmates? Such claims are dangerous and libelous. They are the kinds of claims that have incited the recent violent terrorist attacks in Jerusalem, and continue to sow rancor the world over.

    Whatever your position on the Israeli-Palestine conflict (and I assure you, I do not support the current Israeli government), we have to be honest and informed when it comes to passing laws. We have to know what student government is chartered to do. And we owe it to ourselves, to our communities, and to the world, to work together to come to a complex solution to a very, very complex problem.

  • Bruin

    Didnt board of reagants already say that they would not consider divesting from these companies? This vote doesn’t change much.

  • Hephie

    Gotcha. UCLA students and their representatives don’t count for crap. Right?

    • Tony Riley

      Especially the fake Jews.

  • Sarah

    Meanwhile Palestinians ran into a synagogue with an ax and started cutting up people like a horror movie and everyone is okay because it’s just “them over there.” So if someone ever comes into your homes and houses of worship and attacks your people, then they are the bad guys who will be killed. But if it is someone else, you are okay with it.

    Double standards.

  • hmmmmmm

    All of the “human rights” activists are typing this on their Macbooks with Intel processors. Whether or not they know this, they are supporting a company occupying Palestine. Essentially, they won’t do anything to hinder their own lifestyle. If they can’t divest for themselves, why should UCLA divest?

    • Dee

      You think everyone owns a Mac? Lol don’t worry we have been boycotting companies that aid in the destruction of Palestinian human rights. The impact of divesting will hopefully help even more.

      • hmmmmmm

        Do you own an Intel based computer? If you do, then how could you expect your university not to.

        • Hephie

          The Intel i7 was designed in Hillsboro Oregon. Its lead designer, an Indian. Listen to his discussion of the chip’s development and watch ‘Israeli technology’
          disappear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0bp-wKh828

          It’s just like when Hawking came out against Israeli apartheid. All the Bozos came out shouting ‘Well then he should give up his speech software!’ But Hawking’s sentence construction software, EZ Keys, was designed and built by an
          American company, Words Plus, which was based in Palmdale, California. Hawkings speech synthesizer, NeoSpeech, is produced by a company based in Fremont, California and backed by Voiceware Co of Korea. It has nothing to do with Israel either.

          But please don’t let that stop you. Hasbarats are fond of lying and it’s just soooo
          damned cute when you claim to have invented everything!

          • hmmmmmm
          • Hephie

            Hmmm! Puff piece in the CSM. I’m not arguing that major high-tech companies don’t have maquiladoras in Israel. Interesting to note that the US intelligence services shot down visa-free travel to the US by Israelis mainly on the basis of rampant industrial espionage.

          • hmmmmmm

            To use your own words: “Translated: Hey! Look over there!”

          • Hephie

            Well, thank you for making no sense at all! Try easing off the Ziocaine.

          • http://www.wetravellightly.com/ Travelightly

            Hephie, we are on to you :)

        • Dee

          Divest from HP….Intel wasn’t on the list. But I don’t expect you to know that since I’m sure you didn’t read the resolution.

          • hmmmmmm

            Exactly! Bingo! You want to divest from HP, but don’t care about Intel who is literally occupying the region. Don’t you think its a little hypocritical?

          • Dee

            The UC system isn’t invested in Intel or else it would be on the list

          • hmmmmmm

            My point still stands. You’re financially supporting intel and yet you expect the UC system to not support companies on the list.

  • Mozhgan Savabieasfahani

    Congratulations to UCLA students who worked tirelessly to win this important fight. Other universities will follow. Your work has been inspirational! Welcome BDS across US campuses!

  • http://www.wetravellightly.com/ Travelightly

    If that student body really cared or was legitimately concerned about human rights violations, they would have brought up China to BDS. That they haven’t shows the real motivation.

    • Hephie

      Translated: Hey! Look over there!

      • http://www.wetravellightly.com/ Travelightly

        And that is exactly what UCLA did :)

        • Hephie

          I think you’re drunk and can’t follow the conversation.

          • http://www.wetravellightly.com/ Travelightly

            Oh Hephie, you can’t discredit me, try as you may….

  • Zev Allison

    I do have sympathy for INNOCENTS who were killed in Gaza and the West Bank, meaning those who denounce these attacks and didn’t vote for nor support Hamas (actually, I think all those “innocents” were already executed by Hamas). Those who voted for power to be given to an organization that touts murder as the highest form of godliness have no right to claim civil rights from those who heed such a warning.

    Jews ignored the warnings in Europe and look what happened. We will never ignore people yelling at us “WE WILL MURDER YOU AS SOON AS WE CAN” again, meaning that we will never remove a wall that is necessary in filtering them out of the crowds that pass in and out of Israel every day.

  • Pablito

    Yeah, religion is a great thing, huh? Just think of the progress humanity could have made by now were we not running around killing everyone because they believe in a different Magic Sky Fairy.

  • http://www.wetravellightly.com/ Travelightly

    UCLA Feminist and Queer Alliance signed on to the resolution. They must be living in a parallel universe. Don’t they understand they would have to divest from Arab countries, who would stone and kill them? I guess they critical thinking skills are not very well at UCLA. Go SC :)

  • vrael eragon

    People just keep blaming the Jews and Israel. Answer this. If Israel doesn’t have Iron Dome or any kind of defense system, would Hamas let Israel survive?

    Ps. No sane person would store rockets in school.

  • spocksbrain

    I am wondering if those naive people who voted for this resolution also believe that Hamas is a human rights organization? And will you all be throwing out your HP computers, unscrewing your GE light bulbs, moving out of your houses and dorms plowed with Caterpillar tractors, and will you forswear flights on Boeing jets? And will all that help human rights in Gaza and the West Bank? Let me as you something, when Hamas operatives, wearing black ski masks, lined up so called collaborators against the wall, and executed them at the end of the last Gaza war, did you feel good? Are you able to see the parallel that exists between Hamas sending thousands of usually harmless but sometimes fatal rockets into the air targeting Israeli civilians, obviously designed to provoke and annoy until a retaliation occurs — and how ISIS makes disgusting videos of beheadings of westerners obviously designed to provoke a response? Do you see how, Hamas and ISIS can simply hide behind the women and children, after they provoke a response, and them emerge, hand out a bit of food, and declare themselves the defenders of Islam? Hamas and ISIS and Boko Haram and Al Shebab and Al Queda are all offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood. Is this what UCLA students now “support?” Really? Have any of you ever even looked at the Hamas charter? Have you studied how the youth are educated in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and across the Islamic world? Wake up kids. It’s one thing to be idealistic — it’s quite another to become pawns.

  • NonEuclideanGeometry

    I assume that before this resolution passed, the undergraduate student government of UCLA had an open, probing, balanced, and thorough discussion on what is happening in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip? After all, they are about empowering students with just the facts and letting them reach their own conclusions, right?

    Yeah, I didn’t think so either.

    Welcome to the McEducation of modern liberal universities, where pesky things like learning raw facts, doing research, acquiring skills to allow one to do their own investigations, and self-reliance via things like critical thinking and open debate is substituted with nice, easy, convenient, prepacked courses of indoctrination.

    It’s Miller time, guys. Class … is … out! Woooo …